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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Не уверена, что в настоящий момент возможно найти беспристрастного обозревателя политических событий. Интересно, знаешь ли ты кого-нибудь такого в своём окружении? Может, если только совсем равнодушный ко всему человек.
    No, I know.Most of the Russian speaking members here would be banned if they expressed their views on Ukraine and many other things in an English speaking forum. I would probably have been banned for some of the things I've said about the US.

    I think you are normally very tolerant and broadminded yourself, however the impression I am getting is that it's just been too much, too intensive lately, and that you are probably affected by the Ukraine issue on a personal level.

    I really don't mean to push you against the wall with this. So if the final verdict is "no" then fair enough.

    I really think somebody from Belarus would be able to see both perspectives in this question, don't you? Or even if somebody like that can't be found, then surely there are people who could just pledge to let everbody have their say, as long as they don't attack individuals or indulge in blatant hate speech.

    I would offer to moderate myself, but it's too hard to read all the posts in Russian and sometimes I don't visit the forum for a few days. Also people might not perceive me as objective and fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    No, I know.Most of the Russian speaking members here would be banned if they expressed their views on Ukraine and many other things in an English speaking forum. I would probably have been banned for some of the things I've said about the US.

    I think you are normally very tolerant and broadminded yourself, however the impression I am getting is that it's just been too much, too intensive lately, and that you are probably affected by the Ukraine issue on a personal level.

    I really don't mean to push you against the wall with this. So if the final verdict is "no" then fair enough.

    I really think somebody from Belarus would be able to see both perspectives in this question, don't you? Or even if somebody like that can't be found, then surely there are people who could just pledge to let everbody have their say, as long as they don't attack individuals or indulge in blatant hate speech.

    I would offer to moderate myself, but it's too hard to read all the posts in Russian and sometimes I don't visit the forum for a few days. Also people might not perceive me as objective and fair.
    Спасибо за добрые слова! Откровенно говоря, понятия не имею, насколько нейтральны могут быть белорусы или казахи. И где они у нас? Был Дима, ушёл, хлопнув дверью, вроде из-за модерации. Точно не был нейтральным.
    Ты себя видишь нейтральной и беспристрастной?
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Ты себя видишь нейтральной и беспристрастной?
    Нет Не совсем. Вот почему я не добровольно. У меня есть твердое мнение о некоторых вопросах. Но я могу, если я хочу...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Нет Не совсем. Вот почему я не добровольно. У меня есть твердое мнение о некоторых вопросах. Но я могу, если я хочу...
    Ну, захоти! Можем тебя попробовать, если сможешь быть просто сторонним обозревателем и нейтральным критиком. Журналистом как бы.
    А я тогда в Политике буду защищать Украину!
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Ну, захоти! Можем тебя попробовать, если сможешь быть просто сторонним обозревателем и нейтральным критиком. Журналистом как бы.
    Хорошо давайте попробуем! Я понимаю, что надо быть нейтральной. Что должнa сделать, чтобы начать?


    Edit - Alex post put me off a bit. I assume I can still make a comment if I want? I will not write any anti-American rant as a Mod though, because people might get the view that it represents the view of the forum. And for me, availability varies a lot. When I work, normally only in the evenings. I can't access this site from work and login as myself - they check where people go online. Anything controversial and you are history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Хорошо давайте попробуем! Я понимаю, что надо быть нейтральной. Что должнa сделать, чтобы начать?
    Отправлю имэйл с рекомендацией Админу. А потом увидим, что дальше. Успеха!
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    I will not write any anti-American rant as a Mod though, because people might get the view that it represents the view of the forum.
    Вот этого я и боюсь. Если ты станешь хорошим модератором. Политические темы потеряют тебя как постера. А без "бюрократии чистой воды" ты , будучи человеком порядочным, будешь чувствовать скованность участвуя в обсуждении тем.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    they check where people go online. Anything controversial and you are history.
    Жёстко они с вами.
    Lugn, bara lugn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Хорошо давайте попробуем! Я понимаю, что надо быть нейтральной. Что должнa сделать, чтобы начать?


    Edit - Alex post put me off a bit. I assume I can still make a comment if I want? I will not write any anti-American rant as a Mod though, because people might get the view that it represents the view of the forum. And for me, availability varies a lot. When I work, normally only in the evenings. I can't access this site from work and login as myself - they check where people go online. Anything controversial and you are history.
    Не волнуйся! Для нашего форума всегда были важны доброжелательность участников, лёгкая приветливая атмосфера. Полное приятие любых точек зрения и образов жизни. Если у тебя получится обеспечить это в Политике - честь тебе и хвала.
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    Hanna,
    How could you possibly not write anti-American rants?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Хорошо давайте попробуем! Я понимаю, что надо быть нейтральной. Что должнa сделать, чтобы начать?


    Edit - Alex post put me off a bit. I assume I can still make a comment if I want? I will not write any anti-American rant as a Mod though, because people might get the view that it represents the view of the forum. And for me, availability varies a lot. When I work, normally only in the evenings. I can't access this site from work and login as myself - they check where people go online. Anything controversial and you are history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheether View Post
    Hanna,
    How could you possibly not write anti-American rants?


    Scott
    ААААААААААААА! Удар ниже пояса! Have faith, please!
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheether View Post
    Hanna,
    How could you possibly not write anti-American rants?
    Scott
    Maybe I could set up a second account and make a "guest appearance" for a really explosive anti American rant if the yanks don't behave themselves

    (Actually I have made quite a few of them... I am almost getting bored with it, not that I changed my opinion...)

    But seriously, a lot of the users here are American, and many Americans are extremely sensitive about criticism of their country, even if the criticism is completely fact based. They are just completely convinced that the US is a "good" country, and would take offense if anyone suggested something else, unless you were extremely diplomatic and did it in baby steps. For instance a very sweet American woman who used to participate a lot earlier. If they perceived that a Russian forum was being openly anti-American, it would just spur on their "Russophobia" or prejudice and make them feel unwelcome, which we DON'T want, right?

    So it's one thing for me as an average European ranting a bit about it, but a different situation to do it as a Mod at a Russian forum. Lampada has consciously or unconsciously handled this in a diplomatic fashion, not alienating anyone. However the Ukraine situation is just too intensive and overwhelming.

    What happened during the South Ossetia war, did things get as heated back then?

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