Err. Go back and re-read the thread, in order, and see if you can see at what point you started getting confused. I'll give you a hint, since I don't credit you with the brains to find it on your own, it was around about here:
I suggest you read it a couple of times.Originally Posted by Spiderkat
I would say a Japanese accent since the r sounds like an l.
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You seem to have some problem to understand your own language....
I suggest you read it a couple of times.I would say a Japanese accent since the r sounds like an l.
Incidentally, welcome to my ignore list.
The first one means do not replace the R sound by an L sound.
The second one means try not to pronounce the R the Japanese way since theirs sound like L.
In both cases you'll get either a Chinese or Japanese accent.
The posts you mentioned refer and were an answer to these ones
You're a big boy, I guess, so write whatever you want on your... ignore list.
De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum.
Ok, let me explain how I understood all this and what I meant.
My understanding of the last statement:
you have a Chinese accent in Russian, if you substitute Russian R with the Chinese sound, which for a native Russian speaker sounds close to Russian L, e.g. you pronounce the word хорошо as [халашо] instead of [харашо].
(Btw, Awjln, it’s ok to speak like this, you will be understood and that’s what you want, isn’t it? Everybody has accent, so don’t bother about it.)
My understaning of this statement:
you have a Japanese accent in Russian, if you substitute Russian R with the Japanese sound, which for a native Russian speaker sounds close to Russian L, e.g. you pronounce the word хорошо as [халашо] instead of [харашо].
This statement seems wrong to me, because for a native Russian speaker, this specific Japanese sound sounds closer to Russian R, not to Russian L. So when Japanese people pronounce the word хорошо, the R in it sounds a bit different from Russian R, but it definitely doesn’t sound as Russian L.
At the same time, when Japanese people pronounce Russian words with L, e. g. плохо, for a native Russian speaker it sounds as R - [проха].
In other words:
Chinese people substitute both Russian R and Russian L with the Chinese sound which sounds close to Russian L.
Japanese people substitute both Russian R and Russian L with the Japanese sound which sounds close to Russian R.
Thus
[халашо] [плоха] – Chinese accent
[харашо] [проха] - Japanese accent
I assumed that the same is right for the accents these people have in English, but now I’m not so sure about it.
That's what I meant. But I used would to make it a suppositional statement based on how some of their Rs, in transliteration, sound like Ls.
De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum.
In Chinese accent it depends on the position of л/l. As there is no final L in Chinese dialects, so it is pronounced closer to English R at the end of a word. So "file" (файл) may sound like "fire" (American way) from a Chinese speaker.
In Korean there are both L and R (pronnounced like Japanese R) sounds, it is driven by the position of the letter. So between vowels it's R, before and after consonants, when doubled and at the end of a word it's L. The same letter is also sometimes pronounced as N. The Koreans confuse R and L a lot as well.
Can anyone provide some links on how to explain in details the pronunciation of the Russian R to a foreigner, for example a Chinese speaker please? Audio links would be good too. Comparing with other language wouldn't work.
Anatoli - Анатолий - أناتولي - 阿纳托利 - アナトーリー - 아나톨리
Халасо (like Халасо, я тосе такда фам ф цай писаць не буду)
TH-TH-S-SSS
I also prononce R as Mr. Lenin.
I thik I has it
Spanish cars when you press gas pedal "say": Roooom, room, rooom.
En febrero, siete capas y un sombrero.
finally I can roll my Rs! at the beginning I thought it was impossible, but it is possible, if I can do it, then anyone can do it as well.
It's like learning to drive a manual transmision car, frustrating to learn, but once you've mastered it, fun and easy to drive
this tip worked extemely well for me: try rolling your R at much higher pitched tone. have you ever been a night disco or dancing club or whateva, those people Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at a very high pitched tone for a few seconds and the pitch keeps going up. this long high pitched Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr can also found in many latin american music.
but here is the problem: I cannot roll my Rs when I am eating. besides, I found that a rolling R is kinda different from a real russian "p", "p" sounds much more crispier and with a single or very few flap(s), and it seems that when russians pronounce "p", their tougue seems not rolling back, or straightt up. instead it goes forward and up behind the upper teeth, am I correct?
I do not think it goes forward, just up and parallel to the roof of the mouth.
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
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Well, I don't know what to say. I want to say thanks to the Academy, to Mama, to Papa and to my dog. I love you all.
Russia... sorry for a typo. My bad
Well, I don't know what to say. I want to say thanks to the Academy, to Mama, to Papa and to my dog. I love you all.
You could use "Edit" button on upper right corner of your message
ЖЖОШЬ!You could use "Edit" button on upper right corner of your message
Ingenting kan stoppa mig
In Post-Soviet Russia internet porn downloads YOU!
My advice - do not roll the Russian 'R' at all! Just say
'Betty bought a bit of better butter'.
it should sound american - something like (I can't attach files so you have to figure out the pronunciation yourself. - beddy bad a bid av bedder budder) the 'd' sound is close the Russian 'R'. When I first heard an American say 'Get out of here' (gedaudav...) I thought: 'well, he can say a perfect russian r!'.
maybe you ought to put your tongue tip a bit more backward in your mouth. Any questions? Ask me. And, btw, I don't care for my spelling, grammar or whatsoever
Люди с годами не меняются, они просто все больше становятся самими собой.
Американец в Иллинойсе будет бить себя в грудь, твердя, что в словах daughter, water он произносит t , хотя ясно слышится подобие русского "р".My advice - do not roll the Russian 'R' at all! Just say
'Betty bought a bit of better butter'.
it should sound american - something like (I can't attach files so you have to figure out the pronunciation yourself. - beddy bad a bid av bedder budder) the 'd' sound is close the Russian 'R'. When I first heard an American say 'Get out of here' (gedaudav...) I thought: 'well, he can say a perfect russian r!'.
maybe you ought to put your tongue tip a bit more backward in your mouth. Any questions? Ask me. And, btw, I don't care for my spelling, grammar or whatsoever
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
Я что-то не пойму... Т.е. фактически в этом слове t звучит как русское "р"??? Не могу представить. Можно ли где-то это послушать?
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