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    The adjective ending "ый"

    I'm not sure weather this question has to do with "Pronunciation and Accent", or "Grammar and Vocabulary", perhaps it's got a bit of both to it.
    I just wonder what exactly the letter "й" does in such adjectives as "красный". Does it represent a sound? Apparently, it does not. The way I figure, "красны" would be pronounced exactly the same way. So is it just a matter of aesthetics? [I have to admit that красный looks more beautiful than красны, although it's perhaps because my eyes are more used to the former.]
    Or perhaps the "й" is there to emphasize that "красный" is an adjective, and not, say, the plural of the imaginary noun "красн"?
    Whatever the case, I suppose that while "й" is clearly pronounced in "сделай", it is not in "красный", "любимый", "хороший", etc. Am I wrong?
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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    I just wonder what exactly the letter "й" does in such adjectives as "красный". Does it represent a sound? Apparently, it does not.
    It DOES represent a sound.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    "любимый"
    This is a very good example: "Любимый" and "Любимы" are two different words which have different pronunciation.
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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Then I would say it's a bit difficult to pronounce an "й" right after an "ы", but I guess I can make the difference. How about the "й" in "пожалуйста"? Native Russians pronounce it as if there is no "й" whatsoever, more or less like "пожалыста". Is it because of fast pronunciation, or this is indeed an exception?
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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    Then I would say it's a bit difficult to pronounce an "й" right after an "ы"
    Five or six years for practice and you will agree that it is very easy to pronounce an "й" right after an "ы".

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    How about the "й" in "пожалуйста"? Native Russians pronounce it as if there is no "й" whatsoever
    Here "й" can disappear in fast speech. The faster speech the more sounds would disappear. The fastest version would be "пжаста". In clear slow speech "й" is pronounced in "пожалуйста".
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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
    Whatever the case, I suppose that while "й" is clearly pronounced in "сделай", it is not in "красный", "любимый", "хороший", etc. Am I wrong?
    I tried to pronounce all these words and this is my amateurish conclusion:

    In all the words "й" comes out a lot like short "ы". I have even gone so far as to pronounce "сделай" as "сделаы", making "ы" short like a consonant. The result was unmistakably "сделай", although it came out a little bit weird.
    So, it's just that "-ый", pronounced casually, consists of two close and blended sounds and that is why it may be difficult for a non-native speaker to hear them both.


    I never pronounce "й" in "пожалуйста".
    Unless somebody asks me how it should be written, and I don't remember it ever happening.

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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Пожалуйста

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJyF_a4fCQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJyF_a4fCQ


    Музыка - Александр Дулов
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    Ну, пожалуйста...

    Ну, пожалуйста, ну, пожалуйста,
    В самолет меня возьми,
    На усталость мне пожалуйся,
    На плече моём усни.
    Руку дай, сводя по лесенке
    На другом краю земли,
    Где встают, как счастья вестники,
    Горы синие вдали.

    Ну, пожалуйста, ну, в угоду мне,
    Не тревожься ни о чём...
    Тихой ночью сердце города
    Отопри своим ключом.
    Хорошо, наверно, ночью там:
    Темнота и тишина.
    Мы с тобой в подвале сводчатом
    Выпьем старого вина.

    Выпьем мы за счастье трудное,
    За дорогу без конца,
    За слепые, безрассудные,
    Неподсудные сердца.
    Побредём по сонным дворикам,
    По безлюдным площадям,
    Улыбаться будем дворникам,
    Будто найденным друзьям.
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    Re: The adjective ending "ый"

    Сделай


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhZPTrGU54I

    Это не любовь

    Ты часто проходишь мимо, не видя меня,
    С кем-то другим, я стою не дыша.
    Я знаю, что ты живёшь в соседнем дворе,
    Ты идешь не спеша, не спеша...

    О, но это не любовь...

    А вечером я стою под твоим окном,
    Ты поливаешь цветы, поливаешь цветы.
    А я дотемна стою и сгораю огнем,
    И виной тому ты, только ты...

    О, но это не любовь...

    Научи меня всему тому, что умеешь ты,
    Я хочу это знать и уметь.
    Сделай так, чтобы сбылись все мои мечты,
    Мне нельзя больше ждать, я могу умереть...

    О, но это не любовь...
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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