Thread: Языковая обстановка в Латвии и др.

@Mergike
Well I am trying to be understanding about why the Baltics are choosing to discriminate against Russian speakers, even though it is against EU policy, modern policy in Europe and just common decency etc.

But you are just wanting to be a victim about the USSR times and talk about how terrible this was, and why this gives you special dispensation to treat Russian speakers in your country poorly.

Do you want me to say: Yes, the Soviet Union treated your country badly, so it's ok for you to mistreat all Russian speakers?

How does the behaviour of the USSR and the decisions of Stalin in the 1940s give the modern Baltic states a moral right to discriminate against Russian speakers today? The two events are not linked, and one does not justify the other.

An old lady who moved to Estonia to work in a factory in her teens is hardly responsible for anyones grandparents being deported in the 1940s. Or a child born to Russian parents in Latvia today.

All countries have historical grievances. Maybe the Jews have a moral right to go to Germany and kill 6 million Germans?
I mean - move on! Two wrongs do not make a right.

If you dislike Russians and the Russian language so much, then why are you at this forum?

If you just want to complain (probably rightly, but that's besides the point) about mistreatment of your countries during the USSR years, or how terrible the Russians are... then there are plenty of places for that which are better than this forum. This forum is for people who like Russian language, culture and people.

Originally Posted by Hanna

@Mergike
Well I am trying to be understanding about why the Baltics are choosing to discriminate against Russian speakers, even though it is against EU policy, modern policy in Europe and just common decency etc.

But you are just wanting to be a victim about the USSR times and talk about how terrible this was, and why this gives you special dispensation to treat Russian speakers in your country poorly.

Do you want me to say: Yes, the Soviet Union treated your country badly, so it's ok for you to mistreat all Russian speakers?

How does the behaviour of the USSR and the decisions of Stalin in the 1940s give the modern Baltic states a moral right to discriminate against Russian speakers today? The two events are not linked, and one does not justify the other.

An old lady who moved to Estonia to work in a factory in her teens is hardly responsible for anyones grandparents being deported in the 1940s. Or a child born to Russian parents in Latvia today.

All countries have historical grievances. Maybe the Jews have a moral right to go to Germany and kill 6 million Germans?
I mean - move on! Two wrongs do not make a right.

If you dislike Russians and the Russian language so much, then why are you at this forum?

If you just want to complain (probably rightly, but that's besides the point) about mistreatment of your countries during the USSR years, or how terrible the Russians are... then there are plenty of places for that which are better than this forum. This forum is for people who like Russian language, culture and people.

Это точно то, что я хотела спросить. Неужели русскоязычное население ничего достойного, заслуживающего уважения не сделало для Прибалтики за советский период? И наверняка продолжают инженерить, строить и т.п.

Hanna said:
How does the behaviour of the USSR and the decisions of Stalin in the 1940s give the modern Baltic states a moral right to discriminate against Russian speakers today? The two events are not linked, and one does not justify the other.


First of all, who said that Russians are treated poorly in Lithuania? Have you any proof so that you could make such a statement?????? Anyway, how fast everything changes. Now not only Latvia but ALL BALTIC COUNTRIES became the ones that discriminate Russians? ‘‘Really, poor the Russians who have ever crossed the border of these countries.‘‘

Everything in history is linked. Every cause has it‘s effect . By the way, no one is discriminating them.

If you dislike Russians and the Russian language so much, then why are you at this forum?


Who said that I dislike Russian people or it‘s language? Did I say so???? The fact that I really do not adore Russia or don‘t feel any special passion for this language doesn‘t mean that I can't stand it. And I came here to improve my Russian language skills but not to make compliments about Russia. Is it forbiden to do that?

This forum is for people who like Russian language, culture and people.

So, if I don‘t adore this language and don‘t say that it‘s just great that Russia occupied my country and killed it‘s people, because I don‘t don‘t say how ''amazingly'' they behaved then I‘m not allowed to enter this forum? You know, I live in a democratic Republic and I have the right to express my oppinion, doesn‘t matter if Russians or someone else like it or not. By the way, what I said is truth and if you don‘t like it and think that this way I‘m already discriminating Russians then it‘s just your problems.
Furthermore, if you say that this forum is just for people who like Russian language, culture and people, then maybe you should also write a message to administrators or whoever take care of this site apearance so that he/she maybe should write at the top of Home page this sentence: ‘‘Persons who are from Baltic countries or whatever part of the world and do not adore, worship or idolize Russia, it‘s people or language SHOULD NOT ENTER THIS FORUM! IT IS FORBIDDEN TO YOU!‘‘
Then everyone would see how works Russian democrasy even there Don‘t you think so?

Originally Posted by mergike

Hanna said:
How does the behaviour of the USSR and the decisions of Stalin in the 1940s give the modern Baltic states a moral right to discriminate against Russian speakers today? The two events are not linked, and one does not justify the other.


First of all, who said that Russians are treated poorly in Lithuania? Have you any proof so that you could make such a statement?????? Anyway, how fast everything changes. Now not only Latvia but ALL BALTIC COUNTRIES became the ones that discriminate Russians? ‘‘Really, poor the Russians who have ever crossed the border of these countries.‘‘

Everything in history is linked. Every cause has it‘s effect . By the way, no one is discriminating them.

If you dislike Russians and the Russian language so much, then why are you at this forum?


Who said that I dislike Russian people or it‘s language? Did I say so???? The fact that I really do not adore Russia or don‘t feel any special passion for this language doesn‘t mean that I can't stand it. And I came here to improve my Russian language skills but not to make compliments about Russia. Is it forbiden to do that?

This forum is for people who like Russian language, culture and people.

So, if I don‘t adore this language and don‘t say that it‘s just great that Russia occupied my country and killed it‘s people, because I don‘t don‘t say how ''amazingly'' they behaved then I‘m not allowed to enter this forum? You know, I live in a democratic Republic and I have the right to express my oppinion, doesn‘t matter if Russians or someone else like it or not. By the way, what I said is truth and if you don‘t like it and think that this way I‘m already discriminating Russians then it‘s just your problems.
Furthermore, if you say that this forum is just for people who like Russian language, culture and people, then maybe you should also write a message to administrators or whoever take care of this site apearance so that he/she maybe should write at the top of Home page this sentence: ‘‘Persons who are from Baltic countries or whatever part of the world and do not adore, worship or idolize Russia, it‘s people or language SHOULD NOT ENTER THIS FORUM! IT IS FORBIDDEN TO YOU!‘‘
Then everyone would see how works Russian democrasy even there Don‘t you think so?

LOL

I'm not sure what she's gonna respond to that with, but anyway, I think it will be worth to see.

That's right mergike - покажи ем кузкину мать

Originally Posted by nulle

That's right mergike - покажи ем кузкину мать

Yeah, but don't forget to take off your boots first.

What does it mean ''кузкину мать''? You know, there is not so much Russians in Lithuania when compared to other ex SSRS countries so I actually don't know what is exact meaning of this expression...

Originally Posted by Lampada

Это точно то, что я хотела спросить. Неужели русскоязычное население ничего достойного, заслуживающего уважения не сделало для Прибалтики за советский период? И наверняка продолжают инженерить, строить и т.п.

I have nothing at all to say to this your question because these ~8 persent of Russians who live in Lithuania are not discriminated there by any means.
I hope that at least this my answer is clear.
However, if you think differently then give a proof which could justify such your statements about disrespect.