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    At first glance, the second option seems to offer the prospects of the peninsula remaining within Ukraine...

    The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer.
    Those analysts have definite problems with logic and indulge in wishful thinking because “to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants” does not implies in the slightest that it will necessarily be Russia and not Ukraine, if the Crimeans should decide to vote in favor of Ukraine during the referendum in question.

    Anyways, the 1992 constitution states unequivocally that Crimea is united with Ukraine(1), so the offer is pretty fair and it restores only those rights that were unilaterally abolished by Kiev in 1995 (2). Also, it may be worth saying that the Freedom party, which is a member of the current ruling coalition, has sought every opportunity in the past to dismantle the autonomy as such and even incorporates this item in its program(3). So,"the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy" definitely sounds very problematic but for very other reason.

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    Республика Крым входит в государство Украина и определяет с ней свои отношения на основе договора и соглашений.
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    17 марта 1995 — Верховный Совет Украины отменил конституцию Крыма и пост Президента республики Крым, таким образом Юрий Мешков был единственным президентом Крыма
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хронология_истории_Крыма


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    Один из пунктов действующей программы ВО “Свобода” предполагает вынесение на всеукраинский референдум вопроса об изменении статуса Крыма с автономного на областной и отмену специального статуса города Севастополя, сообщили в пресс-службе партии.
    “Свобода” хочет на референдуме ликвидировать автономию Крыма |

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Those analysts have definite problems with logic and indulge in wishful thinking because “to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants” does not implies in the slightest that it will necessarily be Russia and not Ukraine, if the Crimeans should decide to vote in favor of Ukraine during the referendum in question.

    Anyways, the 1992 constitution states unequivocally that Crimea is united with Ukraine(1), so the offer is pretty fair and it restores only those rights that were unilaterally abolished by Kiev in 1995 (2).
    If it is considered 'united' with Ukraine and they retain autonomy, why wasn't it left as is?

    As for the video above, I've seen it. It's pure propaganda. There are some vital points but it's mixed in with BS. People don't realize propaganda is being puked out on both sides. Ukraine is getting a bastardized version of 'westernization.' Russia is getting the same, ironically. I posted about this before. These versions are being tailored by their Government to influence the masses. It is only 'two' sides' versions that are being told. And people here are falling for it, hook, line and sinker. (Deleted. L.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Russian View Post
    If it is considered 'united' with Ukraine and they retain autonomy, why wasn't it left as is?

    As for the video above, I've seen it. It's pure propaganda. There are some vital points but it's mixed in with BS. People don't realize propaganda is being puked out on both sides. Ukraine is getting a bastardized version of 'westernization.' Russia is getting the same, ironically. I posted about this before. These versions are being tailored by their Government to influence the masses. It is only 'two' sides' versions that are being told. And people here are falling for it, hook, line and sinker. (Deleted. L.)
    Would you prefer dirty propaganda instead of pure? Everything in this world is some kind of propaganda even your posts. So what? What's your point?

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