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  • Необходимо восстановить применение смертной казни с 1 января 2010 г.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Yes, and that's why I have stated that 'Russia does not need democracy (Western or not).'
    Democracy is a tool to make idiots feel important.
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Yes, and that's why I have stated that 'Russia does not need democracy (Western or not).'
    Democracy is a tool to make idiots feel important.
    Perhaps, but that also has an implied notion of the government is trying to present itself respecting its citizens. And that has some very practically useful implications (for the citizens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Of course, there could be scandals going on that I don't know of: But all the top politicians live in normal neighbourhoods, next door to regular people like electricians and teachers... They don't get rich from being a politician.
    How do you know? Greed is a universal vice and I doubt Scandinavian politicians are immune to that.
    Actually, this "equality" thing is the "big thing" about Scandinavia (particularly Sweden) and our rather red brand of Social Democracy. In Sweden it's almost impossible to get very rich - and also to be very poor. Because of redistribution of wealth through taxes. You could become "a little" richer than other people, but not much. Most regular people and media too despise rich people.

    For the last 50 years probably, it's been completely unacceptable for our politicians to be snobbish or have a higher standard of living than "regular people".

    Remember Olof Palme? He had been prime minister for 15 years and was internationally well-known. He got shot when he was about to take the metro home from the cinema! He travelled by metro and bus quite a lot.

    Media runs stories on them - what their house looks like inside etc. If they have anything extravagant, they've got problems... Politicians seem to always be talking about how they share the housework with their wife (the wife works and they don't have a maid). Even the present prime minister was talking about how he finds hoovering good for clearing his mind and said that he does it every weekend.

    They might have a summer cottage (dacha) but it's usually a small place - the more modest, the more "image points" for the politician. Ideally he should fix it up himself to look good to people. So the neighbours can see him climbing around on the roof or something like that.

    There is also a law which makes all the financial dealings of the state public. Anyone can see the information about every penny that was used and what it was spent on. It's fairly unique in the world. They can't hide corruption behind bureaucracy of secrecy.

    There are many silly and irritating things about Scandinavian politics but this is not one of them.

    Plus in a small country, if you live in the capital - everyone knows everyone else.... If politicians were corrupt, people would find out. I can't even remember a case of a politician who was seriously corrupt and got exposed.

    Of course, there have been some minor things exposed though, such as once a scandal of cheating with allocation of nice state-owned flats to relatives and such... But nothing even CLOSE to the kind of things that seem to be almost "normal" in Russia.

    So most people think that the politicians are more or less honest although they might dislike them for other reasons.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Звездочет, I don't quite understand what your point is.
    «A word creates what it asserts» (Eliphas Levi).

    When you say, that we are slaves, even if we live in democracy, you are mistaken! You are not slave, you still have a choice: to be a virtual slave (to live like you live now), or to be someone else. True slave does not have this possibility.

    Jus show me, where you rights and possibilities are restricted by someone. Show me who exploit you, rape you and compel you to do what you do not wish. Just show me.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Звездочёт
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Звездочет, I don't quite understand what your point is.
    «A word creates what it asserts» (Eliphas Levi).

    When you say, that we are slaves, even if we live in democracy, you are mistaken! You are not slave, you still have a choice: to be a virtual slave (to live like you live now), or to be someone else. True slave does not have this possibility.

    Jus show me, where you rights and possibilities are restricted by someone. Show me who exploit you, rape you and compel you to do what you do not wish. Just show me.
    My bank rapes me and my boss and my wife compel me to do what I do not wish.
    And when you tell we live in democracy it is you who is mistaken!
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    My bank rapes me and my boss and my wife compel me to do what I do not wish.
    Right, and the force of gravity does not let you fly. What an oppressive world..

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    My bank rapes me and my boss and my wife compel me to do what I do not wish.
    Free sex porno xxx BDSM submissive slave Ramil raped and compelled to do what he not wish by the bank, boss and wife at once.

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    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России



    What a fascinating subject... Thanks god you didn't post any pictures
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    I forgot to put the reference: [s:1bt3u5tq]http://www.RussianMaster.net[/s:1bt3u5tq] http://www.MasterRussian.net
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    And when you tell we live in democracy it is you who is mistaken!
    So, how could you criticize a democracy, and say: "Russia does not need democracy", if you even don't live in it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    My wife compel me to do what I do not wish.
    en: The word of Sin is Restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursèd! Accursèd be it to the æons! Hell. (Liber AL, I:41)
    ru: Слово Греха - Ограничение. О муж! Не откажи жене своей, если она хочет! О любовник, если на то воля твоя, уходи! Нет уз, способных соединить разделённое, кроме любви: всё остальное есть проклятие. Проклято! Будь проклято оно на веки вечные! В ад. (Liber AL, I:41)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    My boss [rapes me].
    Who does hold you? Depart!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    My bank rapes me.
    Who is guilty of that? It was your wish.

    You are free. A man makes his choice: to be happy or not! We can't do anythig, but we can do much. Our "vitual" slavery lives only in our faded will.
    Брожу по дому со свечой.
    В груди теснит, тоскливо, душно
    И демон праздности -- сверчок
    Пиликаньем изводит душу.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Read above - our freedom is merely a freedom to choose whom to obey.
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    Yeah, yeah... He made one unfocussed comment and everyone is jumping on it. Enough sexy stories about Ramil now But iti-ogo's comment was funny!

    The banks DO rape you - although in an economic sense.

    I accidentally went over my overdraft limit with £12. For this, the bank charged me £25... Happened twice in 6 months because I was a bit sloppy.

    It costs them NOTHING to process a rejected payment - it's done in the computer system without human interaction (I know, because I've worked on programming a system like that).

    I normally keep an average of £2-3000 on that account which they make lots of money from (invested..). So how the *&(%&* can they motivate charging me a ridiculous sum for a completely harmless mistake!

    I would change banks.... but they are all the same.
    Really, they stink.

    It's revolting to think how they mismanaged their own businesses, and then the UK government BAILS OUT these PRIVATELY OWNED banks with the taxpayers' money. That money should be used for the people, not for saving some fat-cat's neck. Hospitals etc need more money, but the government spends it on saving banks!

    It makes me sick.

    and reminds me of some old pics from school history. Like:



    Plus some other good ones...

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Read above - our freedom is merely a freedom to choose whom to obey.

    How interesting! Do you realy belive in that?
    Just listen your self. Who does compel you to obey, who does compel you make this choice: a fear, a habit, your mind or somthing else? Democracy (and other "political" systems) have nothing to do with that. We oppress our self, and nobody else.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by Звездочёт
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Read above - our freedom is merely a freedom to choose whom to obey.

    How interesting! Do you realy belive in that?
    Just listen your self. Who does compel you to obey, who does compel you make this choice: a fear, a habit, your mind or somthing else? Democracy (and other "political" systems) have nothing to do with that.
    This state, any state compels us to obey its laws. Any power is based on a threat of physical violence to everyone who disobeys if you get to the bottom of this. And democracy is not an exception.

    We oppress our self, and nobody else.
    Who 'we'? I do not oppress anyone, including myself. As I already said in this thread - what we call democracy is not 'a rule of the people'. In theory - yes, but practice shows it's the same utopia as communism was. We are ruled by the gang of high-ranked criminals and our votes doesn't mean anything. Elections are held just for show... and to keep the people in misconception that they can do something to influence on the situation. Moreover, the money we pay as taxes are used to secure their positions. Do you live in some fairyland? Do you really believe we have democracy here? Or perhaps you write these messages from your estate in Barvikha - well then we live in different countries.
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Этот тварь заслуживает жить?

    "Подсудимый Гречушкин раздел усыновленного ребенка Александра, связал ему руки сзади туловища, в районе живота скотчем привязал аккумуляторную батарею, затем поместил его в хозяйственную сумку, отвез к мосту через реку Пехорка и сбросил с моста в реку".

    Grechushkin undressed his adopted son (3 yrs. old) Alexander, tied his hands behind his back, scotch taped a car battery to his stomach, put the boy in a bag and threw him off a bridge into the river.
    Кому - нары, кому - Канары.

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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    If the reported is true, that man deserved his death sentence. Probably, fast death is too good for such people. Life imprisonment served in the way so it's a lifelong torture suits the case better.
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    Quote Originally Posted by sperk
    Эта тварь заслуживает жить?
    He got imprisonment for life which probably is not better than death. I'd prefer him to recall all his life what he did and think about that.
    However, if he would be killed, it couldn't bring back to life the boy.

    I've heard on TV that he and his wife belonged to a religious sect.
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    Re: Смертная казнь в России

    I don't believe in redemption of such people. I have already told that I deny such people a right to be called 'human beings'. And him sitting in prison recalling all his sins... I don't believe he would. Instead he would appeal for softening the sentence. 9g of lead and the case would be closed. Of course this won't return the boy to life, but still this will be a right thing to do.
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