Thread: Почему распался Советский Союз? Что происходит в Прибалтике, и немного истории

Originally Posted by Basil77

I do not hate Balts either, it's just the behavior of some of them that pisses me off. Btw, what so-called "Putin regime" did to you that you can't stand it? Prohibited sprats export to Russia or what? I thought Russia can't affect you now when you are in EU and NATO, so unless you live in Russia I don't see how current Russian goverment could do you any harm.

Haha you do not hate Balts but you call us faggots! This greatly shows how much you love us!
Russia can‘t affect us now? But Russia is still so much trying to do that. For example, I hope that you know that Lithuania has to pay political but not economical price for Gasprom gasses (which is 40 persent higher than price which have to pay our neighbours) only because Lithuania implemented the third EU directive in gas sector and this way we are going towadrs energetical independence from Russia, However, it‘s just obvious that Russia hates it so much. So how you‘ll explain this???

Originally Posted by mergike

Haha you do not hate Balts but you call us faggots! This greatly shows how much you love us!

I called so not the Baltic people in general, but only the ones who expressed such opinions as yours.

Russia can‘t affect us now? But Russia is still so much trying to do that. For example, I hope that you know that Lithuania has to pay political but not economical price for Gasprom gasses (which is 40 persent higher than price which have to pay our neighbours) only because Lithuania implemented the third EU directive in gas sector and this way we are going towadrs energetical independence from Russia, However, it‘s just obvious that Russia hates it so much. So how you‘ll explain this???

By neighbours you mean Belorussia? But it has a discount as a member of Customs Union. You can also apply for membership and ask a discount after that. Btw, if you want to have nothing common with Russia why you keep buying gas from us and whinie about high prices? Buy it from your fellow NATO member Norway for example (but mind that Norway's export gas prices are even higher than the current price you are paying to Russia).

And what cities you founded????? You just destroyed everything man!

How about all the cities and towns in modern Khazakhstan and Ukrainian Black Sea coast? Even Narva in modern Estonia was founded by Russians.

I don‘t think that it was convinient at all because even in midleages Lithuanians gave many rights to Jewish people. And do you really think that there would have been so many Jewish people in Lithuania before WW II if we would have hated them and wanted that they would disapear from our country? It‘s a fact that before Nazis came to Lithuania there were no problems between Lithuanians and Jewish people. And if you didn‘t know it then remember that most of Lithuanians tried to help these innocent Jewish people hiding them in their houses or priests simply forged identity documents of newborn Jewish children, though for that that they could die themselves if Nazis found out this, and many actually died. And you know when Nazis told Lithuanians to kill these Jewish people, most of Lithuanians first of all shot themselves!!! So these your statements that Lithuanians helped Nazis to kill Jewish actually can‘t be really justified

See photos in ВарраВа's post.

So now these respuplics which was occupied by Russia are the ones who oppressed USSR? damn, are we still oppressing you?? That‘s the funniest thing I‘ve read on this forum whahahahah then maybe you can explain for to me this fact if these occupied countries was such a burden for Russia and Russia like usually ‘‘was the country of highest developements and there was the best walfare for it‘s people‘‘ then why Stalinas, Chrusciovas, Breznevas, Andropovas, Cernenko din‘t canceled all these occupations and didn‘t stopped all these repressions against Baltic people and simply didn‘t let us live our life in free demokratic respublics?????
you actually couln‘t say a bigger nonsence than this

You can enjoy your life in "free democratic republics" now:

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession

Originally Posted by Basil77

I called so not the Baltic people in general, but only the ones who expressed such opinions as yours.

Then you still hate most of them because most ot Baltic people think the same way.

Originally Posted by Basil77

By neighbours you mean Belorussia? But it has a discount as a member of Customs Union. You can also apply for membership and ask a discount after that. Btw, if you want to have nothing common with Russia why you keep buying gas from us and whinie about high prices? Buy it from your fellow NATO member Norway for example (but mind that Norway's export gas prices are even higher than the current price you are paying to Russia).

No, I mean Latvia, Estonia and Poland Are all these countries also members of customs union?

Originally Posted by mergike

there was a partizanian war against USSR in 1944-1953

These "partizans" were the ones who served in Hitler's army and were afraid of rightful punishment for their crimes.

Originally Posted by mergike

No, I mean Latvia, Estonia and Poland Are all these countries also members of customs union?

Well, as I wrote above, if you don't like the price, buy gas somethere else.

Haha you founded one city in Estonia Well done, good achievement after such destruction of this country

Destruction, yeah.

According to the Human Development Report 2009, Lithuania belongs to the group of high human development countries.

Human development index counts most of all education and most of your adult population got one, at least partially, in so awful Soviet times.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Destruction, yeah.


Human development index counts most of all education and most of your adult population got one, at least partially, in so awful Soviet times.

You know I’m studying Political science at Vytautas Magnus university, which before occupation was called University of Lithuania. However, when Russians occupied Lithuania this university like many other universities and was simply closed and a warehouse was mare of it. (They also made warehouses of churches in Lithuania, I guess it was one of their favorite activities, even Vilnius Arkikatedra kad to become a warehouse in soviet times http://www.vestuviugidas.lt/images/c...34_image_5.jpg ) So, if you are thinking that by closing Lithuanian universities and schools you helped to improve education then think again because one more time you are talking nonsences.
Or maybe we should remember how their forced Lithuanians to become a pioneers and join communist party because otherwise they weren’t allowed to study at any university at all. And By the way even if you finished such university no one allowed you to stay in Lithuania but told to go and work inside of Russia. So what country’s education they tried to improve??
This is how USSR tried to ‘’improve’’ education in Lithuania. At least it’s what they did there.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Well, as I wrote above, if you don't like the price, buy gas somethere else.

Well it's no surprise that you couln't deny that Lithuania is paying a political price. It's just obvious isn't it?

Mergike; I don't know anything about Mikhail Golovatov but if anything, the EU is usually partial AGAINST Russia, so whatever he did can't be a big outrage, or he would have found himself in the Hague answering for whatever he did.

If we are talking about EU values, and being completely true to them - then the Baltic states MUST respect the language situation of the Russian speakers more than they do at the moment. It is such a basic thing in the EU that the situation in the Balticsa is really hard to grasp when you are used to constantly seeing countries going to almost ridiculous rights to respect their language minorities.
Whereas the Baltic states is almost doing the opposite - not to mention the issue of citizenship.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Mergike; I don't know anything about Mikhail Golovatov but if anything, the EU is usually partial AGAINST Russia, so whatever he did can't be a big outrage, or he would have found himself in the Hague answering for whatever he did.

If we are talking about EU values, and being completely true to them - then the Baltic states MUST respect the language situation of the Russian speakers more than they do at the moment. It is such a basic thing in the EU that the situation in the Balticsa is really hard to grasp when you are used to constantly seeing countries going to almost ridiculous rights to respect their language minorities.
Whereas the Baltic states is almost doing the opposite - not to mention the issue of citizenship.

Baltic states paid low price for their independence??? If you really think that it‘s a low price when when soviet tanks are crushing alive unarmed Lithuanians who are making a peacefull demonstration and everything seems just really normal to you then maybe:
A) You do not have heart in your chest.
B) You are not able to understand what are you talking. So which is the right answer?
And just for your info: As Nulle said before Michail Golovatov is responsible for this massacre in 1991 01 13 (at least try to read what nulle is writting) when soviet tanks crushed unarmed peacefull Lithuanians. Of course, he wasn‘t the only one who made all this. The other ones who took part in this even‘t and killed Lithuanians are hiding in Russia and Russia aren‘t extraaditing these criminals. Anyway, if you haven‘t already heard about this event , soon you will hear about it. And don‘t worry even though now he escaped and didn‘t get what he deserved next time everything will not end so well for Golovatov.
Furthermore, stop talking about these discriminations against Russians. I said that there is no discrimination against them and if you think differently then give a proof. But the truth is that you simply do not have such thing, right? So, I‘m again telling you again to stop talking such nonsences.
By the way, if you want to complain and try to convince everyone that it‘s very bad for Russians to live in Latvia then go and make your posts in the thread about this topic. This thread isn‘t about Russian minorities, is it clear?

It's a pity that all the USSR legacy is preventing many people from seeing what is really a beautiful and interesting country with fundamentally friendly and fun people.

In my posts I was referring to Russian state official policy - not Russian people.
And this policy apparently is to protect criminals.

so whatever he did can't be a big outrage

Yeah - murder of 14 people is nothing special...
Austrians arrested him, because there was issued an arrest warrant.
Lithuanians were asking Austria to extradite him, but they cowardly let him free.
Baltic states already have started to "make noise" about this.

Things like these simply can't be forgotten.

this university like many other universities and was simply closed and a warehouse was mare of it

What else you can do to an university after all teachers/lecturers etc. have been deported?

Originally Posted by nulle

What else you can do to an university after all teachers/lecturers etc. have been deported?

Just to close it, it was the only one thing what left for Russians to do and they liked it so much.

Originally Posted by Basil77

How about all the cities and towns in modern Khazakhstan and Ukrainian Black Sea coast? Even Narva in modern Estonia was founded by Russians.

Haha you founded one city in Estonia Well done, good achievement after such destruction of this country

Originally Posted by Basil77

See photos in ВарраВа's post.

See what I wrote under barbara’s post

Originally Posted by Basil77

You can enjoy your life in "free democratic republics" now:

Source:
Late-2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YES, YOU CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MUCH I’M ENJOYING IT

Taken from Wikipedia:
Lithuania is a member of the European Union and the biggest economy among three Baltic states. GDP per capita reached USD17,800 in 2008 and was higher than the ones of all its neighbors – Latvia, Poland, RUSSIA and Belarus[9].
GDP per capita in Lithuania is 70% above the world’s average of USD 10,500[9]. Lithuania has a favorable legislative basis for business as the country is ranked the 3rd in the region of Eastern Europe and Central Asia[10] and the 26th in the world by the Ease of Doing Business Index prepared by the World Bank Group [11]. Lithuania is ranked the 30th out of 179 countries in the Index of Economic Freedom, measured by The Heritage Foundation[12]. According to the Human Development Report 2009, Lithuania belongs to the group of high human development countries.
Economy of Lithuania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

look that Germans did to Russians during WWII (and Balts were happily helping them in this): 27 million killed, 18 million from this number are civillians, but we don't blame modern Germans for this, actually attitude to modern Germans in Russia is rather friendly, we blame Hitler and Nazism wich are secretly admired in Baltics nowdays. How about acting like grown-ups and forgive&forget like we did?

We do not blame modern Germans too - because their predecessors abandoned Nazism ideology, apologized and paid compensations to every victim of Nazi regime.
Nowadays Nazi ideology is illegal in Germany and they (except some nutjobs) do not celebrate Nazi "victories" and "achievements".

Russia on the other hand refuses to abandon Soviet legacy, Communist party is not illegal, communist war criminals are not prosecuted - former KGB operative was your president LOL - In Latvia former KGB operatives are not allowed to run for electable office till the end of their lives - (Russia protested when Latvia prosecuted Vassili Kononov (I'm glad that this bastard, who burned pregnant woman alive, is finally dead, hope he rots in hell . They also do not want to extradite Mikhail Golovatov who is responsible for 13.01.1991. massacre in Vilnius.).
They still celebrate Brezhnev's "Victory day" - even Staļin himself did not celebrate anything - because even he apparently thought that there is nothing to celebrate for.

These "partizans" were the ones who served in Hitler's army and were afraid of rightful punishment for their crimes.

Soviet propaganda likes to repeat that. The truth is that partisans fought against BOTH invaders.
These who joined Nazis after communist atrocities in 1940 - can't really blame them - if my family was killed and/or deported to Siberia i would have joined Wehrmacht too to avenge them.

and were afraid of rightful punishment for their crimes.

No one in Latvian Legion was prosecuted for war crimes.
Arajs Kommando of course is completely different matter, but no one except nutjobs celebrate his crimes now.

Destruction, yeah.

I killed your family, but I built you a house - be grateful....

Originally Posted by nulle

Russia on the other hand refuses to abandon Soviet legacy, Communist party is not illegal, communist war criminals are not prosecuted - former KGB operative was your president LOL - In Latvia former KGB operatives are not allowed to run for electable office till the end of their lives - (Russia protested when Latvia prosecuted Vassili Kononov (I'm glad that this bastard, who burned pregnant woman alive, is finally dead, hope he rots in hell . They also do not want to extradite Mikhail Golovatov who is responsible for 13.01.1991. massacre in Vilnius.).
They still celebrate Brezhnev's "Victory day" - even Staļin himself did not celebrate anything - because even he apparently thought that there is nothing to celebrate for.

Yes, Nulle all you said is complete truth and the fact that Austria few days ago let Michail Golovatov come back to Russia and now he is sitting on his couch somewhere in Moscow really discredits EU cooperation… This way, Austria just simply betrayed values of EU. And Lithuania is going to do everything so that next time when Golovatov will be flying to the hills to calm down his conscience for the massacres he made, he would get what he deserved. Lithuanians look at him the same way Americans looked at Osama bin Laden and one day he still will have to pay for everything he did to Lithuania.