Thread: Почему распался Советский Союз? Что происходит в Прибалтике, и немного истории

Baltic forest brothers are being faggots as usual.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Baltic forest brothers are being faggots as usual.

What makes you think so?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

What makes you think so?

Their posts.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Their posts.

The one where they think Gorbachev should have released Baltic states in 1985? Or some other one?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The one where they think Gorbachev should have released Baltic states in 1985? Or some other one?

The general attitude towards Russians, constant whining about occupation, exiles to Siberia, etc. Btw, the persentage of people who were repressed in Baltics is no more than the persentage in Russia itself, people were repressed not because they were Latvians, Estonians or Lithuanians, but because they belonged to "wrong" social group, such repressions took place all over USSR, but only people from Baltic republics keep whining about it. I am always amused when I hear such whining from Lithuanians especially, because if they hate so much that happened to them in 1940 and want to return the pre-1940 state of affairs, they should make Kaunas their capital again and return Wilno to Belorussia or to Poland.

Originally Posted by Basil77

The general attitude towards Russians, constant whining about occupation, exiles to Siberia, etc. Btw, the persentage of people who were repressed in Baltics is no more than the persentage in Russia itself, people were repressed not because they were Latvians, Estonians or Lithuanians, but because they belonged to "wrong" social group, such repressions took place all over USSR, but only people from Baltic republics keep whining about it. I am always amused when I hear such whining from Lithuanians especially, because if they hate so much that happened to them in 1940 and want to return the pre-1940 state of affairs, they should make Kaunas their capital again and return Wilno to Belorussia or to Poland.

I know many Russians who "whine" about those terrible events as well. And I think that's ok, I totally understand the position of being equal victims of the ILLEGAL commie regime. But also, I know there're plenty of Russians who think those events were great, that was a great empire, who think it's good that it took over and oppressed many neighbor countries. The question is, which attitude is dominant in Russia now...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I know many Russians who "whine" about those terrible events as well. And I think that's ok, I totally understand the position of being equal victims of the ILLEGAL commie regime. But also, I know there're plenty of Russians who think those events were great, that was a great empire, who think it's good that it took over and oppressed many neighbor countries. The question is, which attitude is dominant in Russia now...

Most of them are just proud of it and think that these occupations were the best part of their history... this is why they don't like Gorbachev so much and think that he was a very weak politician and traitor...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I know many Russians who "whine" about those terrible events as well.

You shouldn't worry, I call these Russians faggots too.

And I think that's ok, I totally understand the position of being equal victims of the ILLEGAL commie regime.

And what makes a regime legal? AFAIK in the modern world it's a UN membership and following international agreements. It's funny that this "illegal" regime as you called it was one of the founders of UN itself.

But also, I know there're plenty of Russians who think those events were great, that was a great empire, who think it's good that it took over and oppressed many neighbor countries. The question is, which attitude is dominant in Russia now...

Russians "took over and opressed many neighbor contries", my ass. First, attitude to the people in national republics from the goverment didn't differ from the attitute to the people in ethnic Russian regions. Second, USSR was an empire "upside-down" actually: almost all national republics comsumed more overall GDP than produced and were leeching metropoly instead of feeding it. So it's a big question who opressed whom, please stop writing nonsense about Russians who thinks that it's good that we "opressed" somebody.

It's pathetic. So what that I killed your family - I brought you a cake (that i stole from a neighbor) - or if you did not like what I have done, then you should give me my cake back.
I think most Lithuanians would rather choose independence instead of Vilnius region + Soviet occupation.

constant whining about occupation, exiles to Siberia, etc.

These are facts of history - ignoring them wont make them go away.

such repressions took place all over USSR

Yes, but nothing like that happened in Baltics before occupation. Even when Kārlis Ulmanis got power in military coup - he killed no one.
Soviet occupation did not give us anything good - so it's no surprise that we are not particularly excited about it.

The general attitude towards Russians

I do not hate Russians - it's Putin's regime that I can't stand.

It is no surprise that Soviet Union disintegrated. Sad that it did not happen sooner.
It was not a normal country, but a giant prison.

Originally Posted by nulle

These are facts of history - ignoring them wont make them go away.

I'm not denying these facts, but constanly talking about it makes YOU pathetic - look that Germans did to Russians during WWII (and Balts were happily helping them in this): 27 million killed, 18 million from this number are civillians, but we don't blame modern Germans for this, actually attitude to modern Germans in Russia is rather friendly, we blame Hitler and Nazism wich are secretly admired in Baltics nowdays. How about acting like grown-ups and forgive&forget like we did?

I do not hate Russians - it's Putin's regime that I can't stand.

I do not hate Balts either, it's just the behavior of some of them that pisses me off. Btw, what so-called "Putin regime" did to you that you can't stand it? Prohibited sprats export to Russia or what? I thought Russia can't affect you now when you are in EU and NATO, so unless you live in Russia I don't see how current Russian goverment could do you any harm.

Originally Posted by mergike

First of all it’s not Wilno but VILNIUS and try to remember it if you are able to do it. And this capital city was founded by Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (this city was mentioned in written resources in 1323) therefore, from the beginning of it’s existence it’s Lithuanians who always lived there, and the fact that in 1920 Armija Krajova occupied Vilnius and it became part of Poland till 1939 doesn’t mean that Vilnius is a Polish city. And I completely don’t understand what Belarus has common with Vilnius because this city hasn’t ever been a part of this country and Belarussians have no right to it at all.

I don't care how it's called in your language, it was called Вильно in Russian through most of it's history, so I prefer to call it so along with Reval, Helsingfors etc. And it doesn't matter who founded what, you would be the first who would scream out loud about Russian imperialism if Russians would demand back all cities we founded. And btw, majority of Wilno population in 1939 were Jews (44%), how convinient that soon nazis came and murdered them all (not without help of Lithuanians), huh?

Most of them are just proud of it and think that these occupations were the best part of their history... this is why they don't like Gorbachev so much and think that he was a very weak politician and traitor...

Most of Russians see the annexation of Baltic republic (actually Baltic governments requested USSR membership, under Stalin's pressure, yes, you could resist as Finland successfully did but your governments had chosen to not) as a necessary evil wich were needed to keep nazi forces further from Russian borders in aticipation of big war, wich was obviously inevitable, also it's viewed as an unsignificant side-event, so actually we don't pay much attention to this.

Originally Posted by Basil77

The general attitude towards Russians, constant whining about occupation, exiles to Siberia, etc. Btw, the persentage of people who were repressed in Baltics is no more than the persentage in Russia itself, people were repressed not because they were Latvians, Estonians or Lithuanians, but because they belonged to "wrong" social group, such repressions took place all over USSR, but only people from Baltic republics keep whining about it. I am always amused when I hear such whining from Lithuanians especially, because if they hate so much that happened to them in 1940 and want to return the pre-1940 state of affairs, they should make Kaunas their capital again and return Wilno to Belorussia or to Poland.

First of all it’s not Wilno but VILNIUS and try to remember it if you are able to do it. And this capital city was founded by Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (this city was mentioned in written resources in 1323) therefore, from the beginning of it’s existence it’s Lithuanians who always lived there, and the fact that in 1920 Armija Krajova occupied Vilnius and it became part of Poland till 1939 doesn’t mean that Vilnius is a Polish city. And I completely don’t understand what Belarus has common with Vilnius because this city hasn’t ever been a part of this country and Belarussians have no right to it at all.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Baltic forest brothers are being faggots as usual.

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