Thread: Why Russia loves Putin

Кстати Путин еще раз подтведил, что мэры ответственны за сантехнику унитазов в каждом доме. Вот, очевидно, за это его и любят.

Originally Posted by mishau_

Кстати Путин еще раз подтведил, что мэры ответственны за сантехнику унитазов в каждом доме. Вот, очевидно, за это его и любят.

Его любят за то, что он делает свою работу лучше, чем многие другие могли бы сделать на его месте.

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Originally Posted by "mishau_":zxd5ajlm

Кстати Путин еще раз подтведил, что мэры ответственны за сантехнику унитазов в каждом доме. Вот, очевидно, за это его и любят.

Его любят за то, что он делает свою работу лучше, чем многие другие могли бы сделать на его месте.[/quote:zxd5ajlm]

В смысле, лучше отвечает за сантехнику?

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Very selective justice, I might add I am sure all the other "New Russians" are totally innocent

Yeah, selective, I'm not going to argue with you. But several thiefs in jail from thousands who deserves to be thrown there are better when no one.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Very selective justice, I might add I am sure all the other "New Russians" are totally innocent

Yeah, selective, I'm not going to argue with you. But several thiefs in jail from thousands who deserves to be thrown there are better when no one.

While that is true, it's not good for Putin/the government to be locking up just the ones that aren't there friends.

Hear, hear.

When Khodorkovsky was arrested, I was in Russia at the time (purely by chance, I assure you). All the Russians I spoke to said nooo it wasn't for political purposes, so I asked why only him? Is he the only one? And they kept saying nooo, you just wait and see, he is only the first one. You gotta start somewhere! Well... I am still waiting...

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

I am still waiting...

А это зависит от того, когда Англия Березовского выгонит и Израиль Гусинского.

ну да... а больше нету?

А больше и не надо, иначе будет раскулачивание. У все ваучеры назад потребуют.

Mr. Khoder made one big mistake - he thought that if he had so much money, he could play dirty games with the Holy Vertical of Power. He is paying now for that.

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Originally Posted by "kalinka_vinnie":6tmcg80w

I am still waiting...

А это зависит от того, когда Англия Березовского выгонит и Израиль Гусинского. [/quote:6tmcg80w]

British courts legally can't extradite anyone to a country where he wouldn't receive a fair trial, or where the judiciary is not independent of central government, so the ball is really in Russia's court (pun intended) on that one.

Originally Posted by scotcher

British courts legally can't extradite anyone to a country where he wouldn't receive a fair trial, or where the judiciary is not independent of central government, so the ball is really in Russia's court (pun intended) on that one.

If British courts were independent of central government, they would extradited such criminals like Berezovsky and Zakaev long time ago. The fact that they don't do that shows that they (the courts) can't do anything against the goverment's policy.

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Originally Posted by mishau_

Originally Posted by "kalinka_vinnie":jz0v7wrr

I am still waiting...

А это зависит от того, когда Англия Березовского выгонит и Израиль Гусинского.

British courts legally can't extradite anyone to a country where he wouldn't receive a fair trial, or where the judiciary is not independent of central government, so the ball is really in Russia's court (pun intended) on that one.[/quote:jz0v7wrr]

And who would define what that "fair trial" thing means?
And technically (on paper), judiciary is independent of central government in Russia, but who decides whether Russian courts are corrupt or not? And by which criteria?
Or do British courts just rely on the UK's government opinion on the matter? In such case they cannot be defined as independent themselves.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Originally Posted by scotcher

British courts legally can't extradite anyone to a country where he wouldn't receive a fair trial, or where the judiciary is not independent of central government, so the ball is really in Russia's court (pun intended) on that one.

If British courts were independent of central government, they would extradited such criminals like Berezovsky and Zakaev long time ago. The fact that they don't do that shows that they (the courts) can't do anything against the goverment's policy.

Heh.

Even a cursory glance at the battles the Home Office has had with the courts when trying to extradite Islamic extremists such as Abu Hamza, or those Afgans who only got into the UK by hijacking an airliner, would show what nonsense your are talking.

If the government can't extradite those people they really want and need to extradite, for whose extradition there is a great deal of public support, who have been convicted of crimes in the UK and contsitute a genuine threat to public safety, and who are wanted by the government's closest ally (in Hamza's case at least) with whom we have fast-track extradition treaties, then how much luck do you think they'd have pushing the courts to extradite people that no-one in the UK gives a stuff about, who aren't a danger to anybody, and who are wanted on obviously spurious charges by a country with a judicial system as laughable as Russia's?

Get a grip lad.

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Originally Posted by scotcher

Originally Posted by mishau_

Originally Posted by "kalinka_vinnie":2fg6x9cs

I am still waiting...

А это зависит от того, когда Англия Березовского выгонит и Израиль Гусинского.

British courts legally can't extradite anyone to a country where he wouldn't receive a fair trial, or where the judiciary is not independent of central government, so the ball is really in Russia's court (pun intended) on that one.

And who would define what that "fair trial" thing means?
And technically (on paper), judiciary is independent of central government in Russia, but who decides whether Russian courts are corrupt or not? And by which criteria?
Or do British courts just rely on the UK's government opinion on the matter? In such case they cannot be defined as independent themselves.[/quote:2fg6x9cs]

That would be for the judge to decide after hearing the legal arguments of both sides. And the arguments would focus soley on whether or not he would receive a fair trial, not on whether or not he is guilty.

I'm not saying that the judgement was correct, just that there is no mechanism by which the UK government could interfere with it.

So it's up to judge then?
And the judge, being a loyal citizen and experienced professional, would never issue a decree that goes wrong against the general policy of the government.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Mr. Khoder made one big mistake - he thought that if he had so much money, he could play dirty games with the Holy Vertical of Power. He is paying now for that.

But in reality you need lots of money and to be on good terms with someone like Putin. :P

Originally Posted by Ramil

So it's up to judge then?
And the judge, being a loyal citizen and experienced professional, would never issue a decree that goes wrong against the general policy of the government.

The general policy of the government is that the judge decides if the person will receive a fair trial in the home country. There is not a general policy of the British government that 'Russian courts are corupt, therefore you can't extradict anyone to Russia'. You will find other people have been extradicted to Russia by British courts.

Also a judge in the UK can and will go against government policy if he sees fit. It is quite likely his own personal political beliefs differ from that of the current ruling party.

I'm not saying the British courts are free from curruption, but everyone knows that Russian courts are more corrupt, you just won't admit it.

Originally Posted by Ramil

So it's up to judge then?
And the judge, being a loyal citizen and experienced professional, would never issue a decree that goes wrong against the general policy of the government.

Your clutching-at-straws is ammusing. Read the two links I posted earlier, they'll answer your question.

Quite apart from the question of judicial independence though, why on Earth do you think the British government would want to block Berezovsky and Zakaev's extradition back to Russia? What possible benefit does Britian, or, more cynically/ realistically, any specific member of the current government, get from providing those two with asylum?

Возможно им удобно держать в Лондоне этих людей из-за того, что когда-то они придут к власти в России и дадут доступ Британцам к русским ресурсам.