Thread: What can be done to prevent terrorism?

Originally Posted by sperk

British PM: Multiculturalism has failed - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

All talk - no action! I would say to that.

Да, я, об этом слышал, несколько дней назад и мы обсуждали эти новости на другой веб-сайт. В связи с этом, я ношёл доклад "Center For Security Policy" YouTube - Team B II: Shariah, the Threat to America

Сверх того, существует PDF файл "Government Exhibit 003-0085 General Strategic Goals for the Group in North America" http://babylonscovertwar.com/Analysi...h_003_0085.pdf

Первая часть к этому PDF - по-арабски, и вторая - по-англиски.

Well, I think that, if there were Moslems flying those planes into the twin towers, that they had help from somewhere too. I think that the towers were prearranged to collapse. There are too many firefighters that said that they heard multiple explosions. There was Thermite found there afterwards. There is a credible report that one flight recorder was recovered even though the officials say it wasn't. Most pilots think that these terrorists were not experienced enough to direct those planes into the buidings, including the owner of the flight school that they attended.
I see 911 as a separate problem to the problem of Islamists who want to spread their ideology to the West.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

[...]the problem of Islamists who want to spread their ideology to the West.

Well, the ideology wars are not something specific to Islam, I think. The West is trying rather hard to spread their ideology to the East (and is presently more successful). Also, there's something out there which is called the Confucius Institute which is sponsored by the Chinese government and is promoting the Chinese culture and ideology worldwide. So, what's so exclusively awful about "spreading the ideology?"

Originally Posted by Crocodile

So, what's so exclusively awful about "spreading the ideology?"

Would you agree that spreading the ideology of Charles Manson is a mistake? How about we spread the good news of Mein Kampf and the Nazi ideology too?
Можно сказать, что человек который написал Mein kampf сумасшедший. Человек который написал Коран даже хуже!

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

Would you agree that spreading the ideology of Charles Manson is a mistake? How about we spread the good news of Mein Kampf and the Nazi ideology too?

Let me be honest, I'm against the ideology of Charles Manson and Adolf Hitler. Primarily because my own ideology is different. I'm pretty sure a typical Muslim would say the Western ideology is no better than Mein Kampf. However, there is a universal rule of "to spread or not to spread" - the MEANS. There are the legitimate means and the illegitimate means. Adolf Hitler had legitimately won in his country. Had Jews been allowed to leave Germany and settle somewhere else, the tragedy as we know it would never have happened.

So, if you ask me whether Muslims can try spreading Islam, I would say I'm not against it (not that I want to accept it). But that should be double-sided and Muslims should not be against me spreading my ideology to them (not that they would want to accept it too). The only condition - the means should be legitimate. The modern Islamic terrorist practice of killing innocent civilians as well as the recent US warfare in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq in order to "restore/establish the democracy" are both the illegitimate means of spreading the ideology.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

Можно сказать, что человек который написал Mein kampf сумасшедший. Человек который написал Коран даже хуже!

Да, я вполне готов с тобой согласиться. Однако, не мне тебе объяснять, что в любой достаточно объёмной книге (тем более на философские темы, как Коран) можно найти всё, что хочешь, ибо жизнь сама по себе полна противоречий. Поэтому, на сегодняшний день личность автора Корана не имеет практического значения. Намного важнее личность современных исламских религиозных деятелей, ибо они и определяют лицо ислама.

Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold

Можно сказать, что человек который написал Mein kampf сумасшедший. Человек который написал Коран даже хуже!

Можно подумать, библия написана по-другому.

Now we're just getting into conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Demonic_Duck

Now we're just getting into conspiracy theories.

Which one? The Confucius Institute?