Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

Originally Posted by Hanna

Without any proof at all, all the English speaking news channels are busy telling the world that pro-Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian plane, using weapons from Russia.

"Putin has some questions to answer" —BBC.


I thought this belonged in the Russophobia thread, since it fits the theme of the thread.

Anyone who wants to know the other side of the story, turn to RT on http://rt.com/news/ (streaming).

Don't jump to any conclusion either way; RT too, is doing a good job of dropping hints in the other direction even though they are more restrictive.

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1. Пассажирские самолёты идут на высоте 10k, там его в принципе нечем достать ополченцам.
2. Воздушное пространство над зоной АТО было официально закрыто Украиной, пассажирский самолёт туда мог попасть только по прямой диверсии авиадиспетчера.
3. Вспоминается выстрел в Сараево, начавший Первую мировую войну.
4. Кажется, пора срочно выяснить, есть ли поблизости бомбоубежища, рассчитанные на ядерный удар.

Originally Posted by RedFox

Общие соображения:
1. Пассажирские самолёты идут на высоте 10k, там его в принципе нечем достать ополченцам.

Allegedly the rebels might have "Buk" missile systems that were taken in June from Ukrainian military base. However official Kiev claimed that those "Buk" systems were broken by Ukrainian military during their retreat from the base.
At the same time Ukrainian military has 27 "Buk" missile systems near Donetsk, they were set there on July 15th (according to Russian sources)

Originally Posted by RedFox

2. Воздушное пространство над зоной АТО было официально закрыто Украиной, пассажирский самолёт туда мог попасть только по прямой диверсии авиадиспетчера.

Apparently that is a common practice for high-flying aircraft to go through a zone of war conflict, it was done so before in Ukraine and other countries.
However the course of the plane has been altered(can be verified through historical information) by Ukrainian flight control (they were controlling the course of the aircraft and nobody denies it). Official version: "due to storms in the area of original flight course"


Note to the moderator: I know it's a veto on Ukrainian topic but could we at least talk about the plane crash?