Thread: Revolutions in the Middle East....

Originally Posted by Hanna

What's everyone thinking about the Arab revolutions?
I have been watching it a bit on and off recently. I watch:

1) BBC
2) Al Jazeera
3) Russia Today
4) Press TV
5) France 24

(These are all available on cable TV or online with Zattoo or Livestation.)

Each giving a different perspective! With 3 such different perspectives, you can probably get pretty close to the truth.

There is an interesting parallel to the events in Eastern Europe in 1990. Things just spreading by themselves from country to country: No-one has been funding it from abroad and very few saw it coming.. A real revolution is surely something very powerful! Funny how some countries have them often, and some countries never!

I am torn between my feelings of loyalty towards Israel and my sympathy for the cause of the Arabs (mostly the fact that they want to get rid of corrupt governments and have more social justice).

What do others think?

Do any of the sources you mentioned report this incident:

CBS complicit in news coverup - BostonHerald.com

It seems the US "media" does not want to be bothered reporting all the facts. Again.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

CBS complicit in news coverup - BostonHerald.com

It seems the US "media" does not want to be bothered reporting all the facts. Again.

Scott

With all due respect to this woman and what may have happened to her, this story smells fishy to me.

Originally Posted by sperk

With all due respect to this woman and what may have happened to her, this story smells fishy to me.

I posted that because here in the USA we hear how "peaceful" the protesters are in Egypt. That link shows otherwise so they don't report it. Why are there reporters with agendas?

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Do any of the sources you mentioned report this incident:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1317384]CBS complicit in news coverup - BostonHerald.com[/url]
It seems the US "media" does not want to be bothered reporting all the facts. Again.
Scott

I am not familiar with CBS and I do not approve of this woman getting assaulted. It's disgraceful and a very bad reflection on Egyptian men.

Nobody is saying what actually happened to her. Did she get raped or what actually happened. Sexual assault can mean almost anything - hard to imagine they tore off her clothes and raped her in the middle of a public gathering.

One comment though: This is similar to those moslems who walk around in Europe in traditional clothes and then complain that they are being discriminated or whatever. When in Rome, do as the Romans... This reporter knew that she'd be spending the day in a very excited crowd of Middle Eastern men.. From a different culture, with a different view on women. Why didn't she cover up a bit? If she'd dressed a bit more like a local woman, this probably would have happened. If she is such a "seasoned Middle East reporter" it's surprising that she didn't. Just as a sign of respect towards local culture and religion, and towards the country she was visiting - and to make sure she'd not attract unwanted attention. It's common sense.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I am not familiar with CBS and I do not approve of this woman getting assaulted. It's disgraceful and a very bad reflection on Egyptian men.

Nobody is saying what actually happened to her. Did she get raped or what actually happened. Sexual assault can mean almost anything - hard to imagine they tore off her clothes and raped her in the middle of a public gathering.

One comment though: This is similar to those moslems who walk around in Europe in traditional clothes and then complain that they are being discriminated or whatever. When in Rome, do as the Romans... This reporter knew that she'd be spending the day in a very excited crowd of Middle Eastern men.. From a different culture, with a different view on women. Why didn't she cover up a bit? If she'd dressed a bit more like a local woman, this probably would have happened. If she is such a "seasoned Middle East reporter" it's surprising that she didn't. Just as a sign of respect towards local culture and religion, and towards the country she was visiting - and to make sure she'd not attract unwanted attention. It's common sense.

We Americans are used to people with different garbs and would expect if dressed differently than others would still be treated normally. She learned the hard way that others do not agree with that.

Originally Posted by fortheether

We Americans are used to people with different garbs and would expect if dressed differently than others would still be treated normally.

Well.... apart for the fact that anyone who turned up in the USA looking like a
Taliban, Iranian mullah or covering their hair and face would be treated like a terrorist and completely ostracized... in most places in the US. Not to mention the fact that he'd be lucky to clear airport security in under 3 hours.

I heard on the BBC that a US airport carried out a body search on an Indian member of parliament travelling on an official engagement. Only because she was wearing a headscarf; there was nothing at all suspicious about her, and she was there on official business, representing India. She said she had never been so humiliated in her life.

And apart from that, in the USA people even get bullied for coming to school with the wrong jeans, if films are to be trusted.

And of course, someone who dressed like a homeless person could expect to get thrown out of top range department stores or restaurants.

Don't usually watch 60 Minutes; however, I wanted to watch the piece they had on The King's Speech (see movie thread) and so I ended up watching this interesting piece as well:

Tunisia and the spark that launched uprisings

Originally Posted by Hanna

Well.... apart for the fact that anyone who turned up in the USA looking like a
Taliban, Iranian mullah or covering their hair and face would be treated like a terrorist and completely ostracized... in most places in the US. Not to mention the fact that he'd be lucky to clear airport security in under 3 hours.

I heard on the BBC that a US airport carried out a body search on an Indian member of parliament travelling on an official engagement. Only because she was wearing a headscarf; there was nothing at all suspicious about her, and she was there on official business, representing India. She said she had never been so humiliated in her life.

And apart from that, in the USA people even get bullied for coming to school with the wrong jeans, if films are to be trusted.

And of course, someone who dressed like a homeless person could expect to get thrown out of top range department stores or restaurants.

Wow, I guess you truly hate the US! Like you or your friends happened to fall victims to this country...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Wow, I guess you truly hate the US! Like you or your friends happened to fall victims to this country...

It's would be o.k., but no, I don't think so. I believe Hanna just takes very close to her heart every pain of underprivileged or unfortunate in life.I am somewhat with her on this. They'd call us bleeding heart liberals.

Originally Posted by Lampada

It's would be o.k., but no, I don't think so. I believe Hanna just takes very close to her heart every pain of underprivileged or unfortunate in life.I am somewhat with her on this. They'd call us bleeding heart liberals.

That's exactly right! Finally someone with the same opinion as me!

Originally Posted by it-ogo

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Why_do_you_hate_America%3F"]

haha; yes. They have a choice though; they can just stop it... it's *supposed* (touted as) the ultimate democracy... Vote off those leaders that make America unpopular. Anyway, there is a difference between individual Americans and the foreign policy of the nation.

@Eric: If Americans were exploited, tricked and manipulated, some other country that ripped off its' natural resoources, put a phony dictator in charge of the US in the interest of "stability"... and started propagandize against Americans... And they then invaded the US.. or simply set up military bases in the US, that Americans didn't want on their territory... THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THE AMERICANS and critisize whoever did this against them.

And we in Europe are not much better than the US; particularly not Britain! Guess what David Cameron, the British prime minister is doing at the moment? He is attending an arms trade fair in Abu Dhabi, with the leaders of the British weapons industry! Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up, it's absolutely unbelieveable! (Even if it was scheduled for months - he should have cancelled in light of recent events.) And much of the problems in North Africa stems from the colonialism of France, Italy and the UK.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Wow, I guess you truly hate the US! Like you or your friends happened to fall victims to this country...

Why do you hate America? - this is the only correct response to any statement which implies the United States might be responsible for anything negative.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Well.... apart for the fact that anyone who turned up in the USA looking like a
Taliban, Iranian mullah or covering their hair and face would be treated like a terrorist and completely ostracized... in most places in the US. Not to mention the fact that he'd be lucky to clear airport security in under 3 hours.

I heard on the BBC that a US airport carried out a body search on an Indian member of parliament travelling on an official engagement. Only because she was wearing a headscarf; there was nothing at all suspicious about her, and she was there on official business, representing India. She said she had never been so humiliated in her life.

And apart from that, in the USA people even get bullied for coming to school with the wrong jeans, if films are to be trusted.

And of course, someone who dressed like a homeless person could expect to get thrown out of top range department stores or restaurants.

Hanna,
Are you a comedy writer? If not you should be because that crap you wrote is funny.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Hanna,
Are you a comedy writer? If not you should be because that crap you wrote is funny.

Scott

LOL
True.

Hanna, since you wrote you agreed on what Lampada had written, may I say what I think of your searching for the "underprivileged"? You're just searching for them in a wrong place. You can trust me, the US is a rather fair society where everyone with brains can find their niche. You'd better turn your eyes on the places where almost everyone really suffers from the very moment of birth, the world's worst dictatorships. You can start with the following list:

The World's Worst Dictators | Parade.com

Note that one dictator from the list has already been overthrown, and two others are upcoming...

Originally Posted by Hanna

in the USA people even get bullied for coming to school with the wrong jeans, if films are to be trusted.

If films are to be trusted, Will Smith & Co. have saved the world from the hostile aliens in the recent past. I wonder how could you forget his deed so quickly...

Originally Posted by Hanna

Nobody is saying what actually happened to her. Did she get raped or what actually happened. Sexual assault can mean almost anything - hard to imagine they tore off her clothes and raped her in the middle of a public gathering.

Yes they raped her and more! You are so naive. It's all recorded on camera. Those that have seen the footage and witnesses have reported the following. ... ( Deleted. Too graphic. L. )

Originally Posted by Hanna

One comment though: This is similar to those moslems who walk around in Europe in traditional clothes and then complain that they are being discriminated or whatever. When in Rome, do as the Romans... This reporter knew that she'd be spending the day in a very excited crowd of Middle Eastern men.. From a different culture, with a different view on women. Why didn't she cover up a bit? If she'd dressed a bit more like a local woman, this probably would have happened. If she is such a "seasoned Middle East reporter" it's surprising that she didn't. Just as a sign of respect towards local culture and religion, and towards the country she was visiting - and to make sure she'd not attract unwanted attention. It's common sense.

So, you leftie, feminist types conveniently blame the victim when it suits you! I'm not surprised. But I partially agree with you but not for the same reasons. Lara Logan is married and has children. She had no business taking on an obviously dangerous assignment like this and CBS had no business sending her there. Her duty is to her children and family not her career. It was foolish feminist political correctness and pride that made her think that she was invincible. I couldn't care less about her but the entire situation affirms by belief that Islam has done nothing to lift Egyptians out of depravity and Egypt is "finished". You will see an Islamic dictatorship replace Mubarack's dictatorship now and that will mean even worse things for the rest of the world to come.