Thread: Regarding Russian in the Baltic States

Originally Posted by nulle

but Russia and Russian speakers were more equal than others. Prove.
Here we go again. Maybe in Russia it was not the case, but in occupied territories it was.

I browsed Wikipedia and found out that leadership of the Latvian SSR was predominantly Latvian, not Russian.
While Latvian SSR existed there were 11 Latvian and 3 Russian leaders (chairmen, speakers etc.) - I tell them apart by surnames, so I may be wrong, but only slightly.
Interestingly, all leaders of the Communist party of the Latvian SSR were Latvians exclusively.
I agree that there was political dominance of Moscow and there was no democracy, but Latvian SSR was governed mostly by native Latvians.
So in which respect were Russians more equal than others in the Latvian SSR?

On the other hand, it looks like there was no economic dominance of RSFSR over the rest of SSRs.
Why RSFSR should buy those RAF vans if not to support Lavian SSR's economy? There were enough car making factories in RSFSR, but USSR's leadership strived to improve economies of all the republics, so they encouraged bilateral trade between every two SSRs.

Слишком гуманна была Советская власть к тварям стрелявшим ей в спину. Отсидели свой пятерик, и опять пользовались всеми правами наряду с остальными гражданами СССР. А теперь их узколобые детеныши врут про оккупацию.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Слишком гуманна была Советская власть к тварям стрелявшим ей в спину. Отсидели свой пятерик, и опять пользовались всеми правами наряду с остальными гражданами СССР. А теперь их узколобые детеныши врут про оккупацию.

Did those Latvians shoot at the Soviets' backs anywhere else than in Latvia? You know, if some guy broke in my house, and turned violent before the police arrived, I would have to shoot at his back too, and so would everyone I guess.

"Kremlin's historian" Dyukov - please - no one takes him seriously...

Besides, there are at least two different truths to any subject.

That is if you think like in Orwell's "1984".

I choose not to believe falsified history,

Originally Posted by nulle

I choose not to believe falsified history,

Oh, no, you choose not to believe OUR falsified history, but you're ready to believe some alternative history (also falsified) that suit you better.

In that regard I think Latvians are more interested to treat their Russian ppl as the untermenchen than let them be culturalized.

I browsed Wikipedia and found out that leadership of the Latvian SSR was predominantly Latvian, not Russian.

There is a nice Russian word to describe it - показухa.
The real leaders were in Moscow.

So in which respect were Russians more equal than others in the Latvian SSR

Not Russians, but Russian speaking migrants from the rest of the USSR.
Because Latvia and other Baltic states were colonies of the USSR.
And immigrants came here to colonize our land.
That's why they had privileges - better job opportunities and faster access to cars and apartments.
They settled mainly in largest cities and towns - for local Latvians it was problematic, because of propiska system - thay had to stay in rural areas and smaller towns.
(Of course some Latvians got apartments in Riga too, but immigrants got them faster than normal queue - that's why some areas of Riga that were built during Soviet times (including area where I live) feels like Russia.)
So this is a bullshit argument that Soviets built houses, schools, infrastructure and factories for Latvians - they built these for Soviet migrants.
Late 1980s protests against Riga metro was not because Latvians do not like rapid transit (It is a pity that it was not built), but because it would mean even more immigration from the USSR.
Military, police, OMON and KGB officials had even more privileges - they were basically above the law. (Many were sent here from the rest of USSR to keep colonies in check)

Now "former" chekists, former military and criminals are forbidden from naturalization. (Russia should have done the same with their KGB officials and communist party members)

State Language Inspectors spying on and harassing members of a national minority going about their daily business.

You are trolling. That might be some Latvian radical nationalist's wet dream - thankfully that's not the case.
"Language police" only act if someone complains - it is more like customer service quality control.

About Waffen SS:
Nuremberg tribunal (which USSR also was a part of) decided that Waffen SS is a criminal organization EXCEPT Latvian and Estonian Legions.
They were conscripted illegally (against Hague convention which prohibits enlisting inhabitants of occupied territories - USSR also committed that crime by conscripting Latvians into Red Army).
Many legionnaires were later tasked to guard German war criminals.
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All Western countries recognize it.
The only country that is screaming about Waffen SS and nazism in Latvia is... surprise, surprise... Russia.
No one else is paying any attention or commenting about Latvian Legion Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - only Russia - every year after Putin got power (in 90s even Russia did not care).
Even Israel is not saying anything.
And, I think, everybody knows how (in)famous Mossad is for hunting former Nazi criminals and people that, they think, are threat to Israel.
Look what they did to get this guy:
Adolf Eichmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And yet - they do not pay any attention to Latvian and Estonian Legionnaires - and these people aren't even hiding.

And all Russia can is to spread propaganda, because they do not have any evidence to prosecute these people.

Actually, it's good for Latvians to have the cajones to stand up to the Bolsheviks and too bad they don't to the EU. But, here, they celebrate and remember standing up to the Bolsheviks who were the real tyranny.

Mad March: Nazi SS 'glorified' in Latvia - YouTube

Even after the many millions they ended up killing, the Soviet luvers here still refuse to acknowledge. Some Latvians still are conditioned by these brainwashers (hence, it is the tyrants who want to ban such marches and protests) and they are the real fascists.

Who is more democratic, after all?

Russians don't study their own history. Shame.

Эстонцы все шутят...

День памяти жертв нацизма и сталинизма, отмечавшийся в Эстонии 23 августа, ознаменовался скандалом. На сайте местной газовой компании GasTerm появилась фотография из концлагеря Освенцим, снабженная подписью о преимуществах газового отопления. Снимок позднее убрали (на сайте был опубликован небольшой комментарий с извинениями), а исполнительный директор фирмы выступил с объяснениями. Из объяснений можно было сделать вывод, что особого сожаления он не испытывает: представитель фирмы назвал произошедшее "легкой провокацией" и рассказал анекдот про Гитлера и счет за газ.