Thread: recognise Sth Osetia and Abkhazia?

Должна ли Россия признать независимость Южной Осетии и Абхазии?

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Другого выбора нет.

А есть причины, чтобы этого не сделать?

Stupid US politic didn't leave us another choice. If US didn't arm that mad bastard saak these regions could become some caucasian Taiwan analog in future (I think it was the russian goverment strategic plan) but now it's impossible.

I say yes. The whole problem stems to whoever split North and South Ossetia into Russia and Georgia in the first place. They should be reunited to Ossetia and be an independent country. However, I doubt Russia would recognize Russian North Ossetia as independent as quickly it would do Georgian South Ossetia!

it just seems logical to have the Ossetians reunited, no?

North Osetia has no reasons to unite with South Osetia. Both have the Russian language, Russian rubles and Russian passports - so what would they do that for.

Спасиб. за исправления, basurero!

Originally Posted by Leof

_ North Osetia has no reasons to unite with South Osetia. Both have the Russian language, Russian rubles and Russian passports - so what _ would they do that for.

Я считаю, что признание независимости, это ненужный шаг. Россия уже относится к этим регионам, как бы их признавала. Не надо рисковать все, для такого символического действия. Если никакие другие страны их не признают, в чем польза для России? Это просто не может сказаться позитивно на ситуации в России и на международных отношениях. Но все таки, я поздравляю осетин и абхазин - для них это действительно исторический день! Они вряд ли смогут примириться с грузинами после всего произошедшего.

Originally Posted by basurero

Но все таки, я поздравляю осетин и абхазов - для них это действительно исторический день! Они вряд ли смогут примириться с грузинами после всего произошедшего.

Хочется верить, что Путин смотрит на пять ходов вперед. Посмотрим, что получится на самом деле.

Мне тоже в это верится. Шаги России выглядят продуманными и последовательными.

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

I say yes. The whole problem stems to whoever split North and South Ossetia into Russia and Georgia in the first place.

I think you heard about the guy who did it. His name was Josef Jugashvili more commonly known as Stalin .

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

They should be reunited to Ossetia and be an independent country. However, I doubt Russia would recognize Russian North Ossetia as independent as quickly it would do Georgian South Ossetia!
it just seems logical to have the Ossetians reunited, no?

Yes it's logical to reunite Osetia. But if you ask people in North Osetia if they want to be independet or to be the part of Russian Federation I strongly doubt that they'll choose independence.

Well, now that Russia has recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, would it be logical for them to recognize Kosovo? ... and then what about Chechnya? But of course, in politics nothing is logical...

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Well, now that Russia has recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, would it be logical for them to recognize Kosovo?

Just as soon US and EU recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russia would promptly recognize Kosovo

... and then what about Chechnya?

The Chechens don't want to be independent any more There're no separatists left )))

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

... and then what about Chechnya?

А чеченцы борятся за независимость? Не знала...

Originally Posted by basurero

Я считаю, что признание независимости, это ненужный шаг. Россия уже относится к этим регионам, как бы их признавала. Не надо рисковать все, для такого символического действия. Если никакие другие страны их не признают, в чем польза для России?

Польза для Южной Осетии и Абхазии - это гарантия безопасности.
Для нас польза - мы теперь в этом вопросе не зависим от других стран. Не нужно теперь подвергать миротворцев неоправданному риску и т.д. Всё теперь зависит от договоров между РФ и ЮО и Абхазией.

Почитала Википедию, так и не поняла, в чем конфликт между абхазами и грузинами. Даже сложилось впечатление, что абхазы больше виноваты.

Ясно только одно - эти народы вместе жить не могут и наверное, долго еще не смогут. Поэтому надо, чтобы Абхазия стала независимой.

I say “yes” because:
1. Abkhazia and South Ossetia have enjoyed de facto independence since the early 1990s.
2. If Kosovo could be independent, then why South Ossetia and Abkhazia could not?
I am only too aware of the difficulties (and naivety) of the “political” equation (some people might consider it an inequality):
Kosovo+(x1+x2+…+xn) = Ossetia+(y1+y2+…+yn) . But...
Were Russia not involved, I think that South Ossetians and Abkhazians‘ wish for independence would be enthusiastically appreciated and supported by all the European “Good Thinkers” and neo-philosophers.

Originally Posted by Vbar

Were Russia not involved, I think that South Ossetians...

... would no longer exist.
Только, к сожалению, в западных СМИ про это ни слова не говорится.

Сегодня Цхинвали наконец-то посетила международная комиссия, может, теперь хоть что-нибудь напишут. Один депутат латвийского сейма сказал "я из Латвии, но сейчас мне стыдно, что я из этой страны, надо, чтобы те, кто у нас голосует за антироссийские санкции, побывали в Цхинвали".

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

I say yes. The whole problem stems to whoever split North and South Ossetia into Russia and Georgia in the first place. They should be reunited to Ossetia and be an independent country. However, I doubt Russia would recognize Russian North Ossetia as independent as quickly it would do Georgian South Ossetia!

it just seems logical to have the Ossetians reunited, no?

Of course! That's why all of Ossetia would rejoice the long since anticipatd historical reunion on the land of Mother-Russia!

To be serious - what do we call 'independence'?
Independence from what? Sovereignity to do what?
Seriously? It reminds me of an adolescent who 'has already grown up' or so he/she say. Neither of these so called 'new independent states', be that South Ossetia, Kosovo, or Abkhazia, or whatever, are in fact independent from anything except the right to make noise. Neither politically, neither economically, neither militarily. What is the point of breaking old european countries into small 'dutchies' with an area so small that a NATO jet could cross it in about 2 minutes risking missing not even a town, but a country?
And all of this happens in the same time that all of Europe is 'striving' towards the integration, towards forming a Union? Integration means creating a whole thing out of lesser things. The process of breaking the old countries into several lesser countries (i.e. Yugoslavia) is called DISintegration. It appears, Europe is walking the wrong direction, but nobody really cares, at least now Europe is one.

Originally Posted by Vbar

Kosovo+(x1+x2+…+xn) = Ossetia+(y1+y2+…+yn)

Yes, by the way, what's wrong with this equation? I heard many times that USA, Britain maintain that this equation is wrong, 'what we see in Kosovo is completely different situation'. What are the differences, namely? Anybody can enlighten me?