Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
No, no - I don't think that's necessary. It's readable. I was just surprised that Sunday times would publish something of that quality. Personally, I can never follow descriptions of battles anyway, so it's lost on me, at least.

The narrative for this has already been set in the West. Most people only take in the headlines of what's right under their noses. Here is what English speaking people, and Europeans now believe:


  • Euromaidan were freedom fighters who overthrew a Moscow puppet dictator
  • Russia invaded Crimea militarily against the will of many in the population, after a fake/rigged referendum.
  • Everything bad that happened since then, particlularly in the East, is Russia's fault.
  • The Eastern rebels are terrorists supported logistically from Moscow.
  • Putin is doing this due to "Russian imperialism" and/or dreams about resurrecting the USSR.
  • All this proves Russia is a threat to Europe and must be stopped from meddling in other countries.


We have at least two people participating in this thread, who believe exactly this.

Also: Ukraine is "old news" now - ISIS and Iraq is the latest story. Another country f-cked up by Western intervention.

I don't understand this rant. You are speaking for all English speakers and Europeans as to what they believe. You say most poeple only read certain headlines and don't read beyond that. Do you think that all people beyond a certain line drawn on the European continent have no ability to read and you know exactly what they are thinking?

Anyway who cares what some parties think; the general feeling in Ukraine is:
Maidan movement was a fight against corruption. The people who died there are mourned.
Russia took Crimea, but someday Crimea will be returned to Ukraine
Language is not really that important as most people speak both (although, and this is just my opinion, there's more emphasis on Ukrainian language compared to a few years ago, which is ironic since Yanokovich poked fun at it yet during this time more stuff was written in Ukrainian)
Russia was supporting rebels in the East (people even 200km from border say this)
The idea that there are fascists running around and disrupting the lives of ordinary people is a deliberate lie

Based on the above, it's not possible to align with Russia.

In the end, it doesn't matter what BBC, Fox, or RT says