Thread: Future of Eastern Ukraine? / Будущее Восточной Украины?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Sorry, but I just cannot take those separatist clowns seriously. "Donetsk people's republic"? WTF? It's like I and a few of my friends got drunk and declared a people republic of our own. Totally weird and ridiculous. That "referendum" is a comedian show, nothing more. The real and serious question is, if those separatist groups are actually backed up by anyone, and if so, then whom? If they aren't, a couple of days of intensive anti-terrorist therapy should completely bring them down, and show the rest what armed takeover of buildings gets them. If they ARE backed up by a certain country, and that country does invade in case of a counter terrorist operation, well, then at least everyone will see the real face of that country.

You seem to seriously overestimate Russian omnipotence in those events and underestimate the role of local oligarchs.)) Even pro-junta sources take the referendum seriously.

"На 30 апреля намечено ключевое событие в сценарии дестабилизации Востока путем "референдума". Заседание Донецкого областного совета, который и должен по замыслу противника инициировать "референдум" по отделению области. Если не будет кворума - то есть если Ринат Ахметов даст команду, то провал сессии будет означать неминуемый провал технологии "референдума". Надеюсь, что руководство Украины понимает, кто является ключевыми фигурами этого спектакля, и проведет более результативные переговоры с депутатами, чем ГРУ РФ",

На 30 апреля намечено ключевое событие в сценарии дестабилизации Востока путем референдума,

Originally Posted by diogen_

You seem to seriously overestimate Russian omnipotence in those events and underestimate the role of local oligarchs.)) Even pro-junta sources take the referendum seriously.


На 30 апреля намечено ключевое событие в сценарии дестабилизации Востока путем референдума,

Well, if it's completely internal business there, then I don't get why the Ukrainian forces are so shy about going in and putting that freak show to an end.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Well, if it's completely internal business there, then I don't get why the Ukrainian forces are so shy about going in and putting that freak show to an end.

Maybe because the Ukrainian soldiers don't see "freaks" as you say, but civilian people and they are not prepared to shoot at civilians? On the other hand it's Kiev junta who really are freaks. And the army is reluctant to execute the freaks' orders and shoot civilians, on the other hand, they need to show their obedience lest they be accused of desertion. So they also have to participate in this "freak show".

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Maybe because the Ukrainian soldiers don't see "freaks" as you say, but civilian people and they are not prepared to shoot at civilians? On the other hand it's Kiev junta who really are freaks.

Dude, we should let them mind their business inside their country. That's it. Besides, I can't see how the Donetsk junta with AKMs is ANY better.

And by the way, will the authorities in your city be tolerant to you if you take an automatic rifle and go assault administrative buildings on your way?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Dude, we should let them mind their business inside their country.

Such a great piece of advice! Why don't you follow it? Show me an example, dude! Mind your own business!
As for me, I am ethnically half-Ukrainian, so I'll do as I see fit. Get it, dude?

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Such a great piece of advice! Why don't you follow it? Show me an example, dude! Mind your own business!
As for me, I am ethnically half-Ukrainian, so I'll do as I see fit. Get it, dude?

I didn't know that, so I'm sorry if anything of what I said sounded rude to you.

So, you live in Ukraine? If so, what area? (if you don't keep it a secret, of course)

I live in Russia, as many other people with Ukrainian ancestry, in the city of Orel. I think that about 20 to 30% of the population of my city are of Ukrainian origin, and if you take such regions as Kursk, Belgorod (where my father is from) there are even more ethnic Ukrainians. On the other hand such cities as Kharkov or Zaporozhie have mostly Russian population.