Thread: European Union

Actually, this question is mostly for EU citizens. Some countries of former USSR is going to join EU. What do you thing about EU? How do you estimate you decision to join EU now?

Originally Posted by BETEP

Actually, this question is mostly for EU citizens. Some countries of former USSR is going to join EU. What do you thing about EU? How do you estimate you decision to join EU now?

I think is very positive that new countries joining Europe soon. Lastly, the idea of Europe was devaluaded. European Governments has not been able to get a unique voice in importants issues like Iraq war. That is the problem of the Europe in general, an economic bigger market but in contract is unable to taking decision quickly.
Countries like Poland, Slovenia, Checkia, and others were influenced by Soviet Union but they has never left to be part of Europe and their situation are much better nowdays than Democratic Germany in its moments. Latvia, Letonia, and Lithuania were wellcome to dismatle of the Soviet Union,.
Economicaly, that means a bigger market, a workforces cheaper. Companies from these countries have to be able to compete in a bigger market, so unfortunately many of them will be dismatled. On the other hand, Multinational Companies will see an nice opportunity to cut cost in worksforces.
An Europe Union also mean a more security for all of us.

Originally Posted by Lucas

European Governments has not been able to get a unique voice in importants issues like Iraq war. That is the problem of the Europe in general, an economic bigger market but in contract is unable to taking decision quickly.

I think it is a great advantage of Europe the ability of independent politics. The EU does not take away this one right now but who knows--. The big market is good but you forgot about economic situation and problems of new members. The joining is good (for example) for Germany because Germans will export goods to the new members. In other hand, workers from the new member countries cannot work in old member countries without a work permit (it seems, except Ireland). What the new members are going to get after the joining? Definitely, it is a rise of prices and destruction of manufacturing structure because an ability of market protection will be destroyed.

Originally Posted by Lucas

Latvia, Letonia, and Lithuania were wellcome to dismatle of the Soviet Union,.

Actually, Poland, Slovenia, Czechia, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania are right.

Originally Posted by Lucas

Economicaly, that means a bigger market, a workforces cheaper.

I don't think that the less salary is an advantage--

Originally Posted by Lucas

An Europe Union also mean a more security for all of us.

Why!?

workers from the new member countries cannot work in old member countries without a work permit (it seems, except Ireland).

I am European citizen and in 2000 I had worked in London during the summer. Nobody asked me for a permission in order to be able to work.
I had met many people who were worked in the ilegal labour market but they were not european citizen. I was working during the summer as waiter in elderly residence, cleaner, hang out propaganda. that is the job which you can find there if you dont speak a accuratelly english and you are not a united kigndow citizen.
Anyhow, I have any idea about the current situacion.

rise of prices and destruction of manufacturing structure because an ability of market protection will be destroyed.

I disagree with your opinion, nowadays to control the index of the prices is the main variable in order to get a prosperous country because in contract if it leaves rising the price without control at the end that will be as a tax for richer and poor people. Because then the goods, thing only will be bought for richer people. It is able to think that earn more money, a bigger salary is much better but it s a trick.

It could be true prices of goods is an important variable which is taking account for companies when have to invest their money. But more prices dont mean more profits.

more security for all of us. Why

In Europe, there were two ethnic incidents bosnia and Kosovo. At least the last one has able to avoid a genocidius.Europe is not the panacea and is not perfect but at least is something

Originally Posted by Lucas

Companies from these countries have to be able to compete in a bigger market, so unfortunately many of them will be dismatled.

No need to use the future tense here. They have been dismantled.

I mean, that Solidarity of Poland revolutionized the country because it wanted higher wages and better life for the shipyard workers. The result, the shipyards are being closed down, and the workers are joining the army of the unemployed. And thanks to the little-publicized conditions of the EU membership, they will not be able to move freely within the EU and find jobs there. Not to mention the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end?

Originally Posted by Lucas

In Europe, there were two ethnic incidents bosnia and Kosovo. At least the last one has able to avoid a genocidius.Europe is not the panacea and is not perfect but at least is something

Then you must go to Kosovo right now and tell them, or they may miss the news.

Originally Posted by bad manners

... the shipyards are being closed down, and the workers are joining the army of the unemployed. And thanks to the little-publicized conditions of the EU membership, they will not be able to move freely within the EU and find jobs there. Not to mention the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end?

The shipping company is being closed here as well as other countries in Europe. Right now others countries from Asia are able to build ships cheaper. That's all.

the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end

I dont think so. Agricultural goods from Poland will be cheaper than other members, so they will be bought in Europe.
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Unemployed rates not have to be decreased. On the contrary, Ireland, Spain, Greece the poor brothers it is already rising.

It being forgotten that many European companies has already moved their factories to these countries. Not all are going to be disavantaged.

Originally Posted by bad manners

Then you must go to Kosovo right now and tell them, or they may miss the news.

Fortunately, Nato troops were deployed there since the beginning of the conflict. The mayority of the troops are from Europe. Since the conflicts begun any bad new has been heard . So I dont undestand your comment.

Originally Posted by Lucas

The shipping company is being closed here as well as other countries in Europe. Right now others countries from Asia are able to build ships cheaper. That's all.

The Asian countries may even give away their vessels for free, the European countries will still be buying European made ships, because of the customs. But there are no customs within the European Union.

[quote:qo7czfqb]the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end

I dont think so. Agricultural goods from Poland will be cheaper than other members, so they will be bought in Europe.[/quote:qo7czfqb]
You should familiarize yourself with the subject. The old EU countries will continue to subsidize their agriculture, while one of the chief conditions for Poland's admission to the EU was to cut their subsidies to the Polish agricultural sector. So (say) the Netherlands will have the luxury of selling their crops at well below the market price, while the Poles will not.

Originally Posted by Lucas

Originally Posted by bad manners

Then you must go to Kosovo right now and tell them, or they may miss the news.

Fortunately, Nato troops were deployed there since the beginning of the conflict. The mayority of the troops are from Europe. Since the conflicts begun any bad new has been heard . So I dont undestand your comment.

I don't understand yours, either.

Originally Posted by Lucas

I dont think so. Agricultural goods from Poland will be cheaper than other members, so they will be bought in Europe.

I think so, the Spanish crops easily push out the Polish one from European market. The famous Danish strawberry is in the past right now.

Originally Posted by Lucas

Fortunately, Nato troops were deployed there since the beginning of the conflict.

First of all, NATO is not a UN and all the more so is not EU.
The troops were deployed when conflict has been burned. And what they did? Do you know what were bombers doing after take off in Italy?

Originally Posted by Lucas

Since the conflicts begun any bad new has been heard.

Is it a main goal of EU?

[quote=bad manners]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Originally Posted by "bad manners":1rzvid8v

Then you must go to Kosovo right now and tell them, or they may miss the news.

Fortunately, Nato troops were deployed there since the beginning of the conflict. The mayority of the troops are from Europe. Since the conflicts begun any bad new has been heard . So I dont undestand your comment.

I don't understand yours, either.[/quote:1rzvid8v]

Hey now, tolerance tolerance. There's been a lot of news in Spain this month: no time in the evening bulletin for retributive ethnic cleansing down Balkan way.

Originally Posted by BETEP

I think so, the Spanish crops easily push out the Polish one from European market. The famous Danish strawberry is in the past right now.?

I have to look for the information but I think Spain is not a big producer of crops. The second part is right. But if someday the strawberry from Morocco is much cheaper then ours will be push out as well.
When in 1985 Spain joined Europe many goods which were produced by farmers, basically from France, had subsidies during many years so that could avoid their losser.

you are right . According to the last report from the agriculture situation in Poland the crops as well as other products has been decreased.
Exctract from the EU document which is talking about the agriculture in Poland

"Currently, cereals use nearly half of the agricultural area of 18.4 million ha......Poland, therefore, has a vast potential for rye production in an enlarged Union and could possible grow more rye than Germany, the main rye producing country in the EU-15."

http://europa.eu.int/comm/agriculture/e ... poland.pdf

Originally Posted by BETEP

First of all, NATO is not a UN and all the more so is not EU.
The troops were deployed when conflict has been burned. And what they did? Do you know what were bombers doing after take off in Italy?

In my opinion Europe and Nato forces reacted on time and genocide was avoid.
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Originally Posted by joysof

Hey now, tolerance tolerance. There's been a lot of news in Spain this month: no time in the evening bulletin for retributive ethnic cleansing down Balkan way.

I would like to give my opinion about the terrible terrorist attack that happened in Madrid . Otherwise I read carefully all posts Madrid but subject has already turned into Chechenia.

Originally Posted by bad manners

. The old EU countries will continue to subsidize their agriculture, while one of the chief conditions for Poland's admission to the EU was to cut their subsidies to the Polish agricultural sector. So (say) the Netherlands will have the luxury of selling their crops at well below the market price, while the Poles will not.

You are right. But you should not forget that Poland has imposed its conditions as well. Of course, Europe is the big brother and it is able to impose its conditions.

I would just like to know what conditions Poland has managed to impose on the EU. So far, I am aware of only one: "The Poles are to be considered second-class EU citizens". This may be something for the twisted Polish ego, but what about economy and policy making?

Originally Posted by Lucas

In my opinion Europe and Nato forces reacted on time and genocide was avoid.

Was it? How do you explain the fact that ever since NATO established itself in Kosovo, the Serbian population there has been monotonically decreasing? And that Serbian houses and churches are burning in Kosovo as we speak?

Originally Posted by Lucas

Of course, Europe is the big brother and it is able to impose its conditions.

Usually, big brother gives something to his little brother but EU only plays a part of an equal partner's union. The American model of union are more just because each state has equal rights and any man born in the US has equal rights to each others.

Originally Posted by bad manners

I would just like to know what conditions Poland has managed to impose on the EU. So far, I am aware of only one: "The Poles are to be considered second-class EU citizens". This may be something for the twisted Polish ego, but what about economy and policy making?

As far as I know to join EU has been taken by Poland and 9 countries without any imposition.
The last Interconferences celebrated in Italy, European Constitution was not aproved because of Spain and Poland. Sometimes, the voices of the poorer brothers were heard of.
Poland among others is going to receive the Funds which helping to change its structure productive included (agriculture).

Originally Posted by bad manners

Was it? How do you explain the fact that ever since NATO established itself in Kosovo, the Serbian population there has been monotonically decreasing? And that Serbian houses and churches are burning in Kosovo as we speak?

I believe you when you are talking about these events are happening.
Which are your proposals to solve the Kosovo conflict ??
you are suggested the Nato forces should go back