Thread: The end.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Neither of the two points (namely, the Ukrainian rule would be"pro-American", and that a pro-American regime at Russia's borders would threaten its sovereignty) is actually backed up by any evidence

No evidence, huh?
Victoria Nuland was not discussing who she does and who she does not want to see in the Rada?
NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.
Also Sevastopol port has huge strategic importance for russian Navy in the Black Sea. That needs no evidence - it's geography. Does anyone believe that after joining NATO Ukraine would allow russian Navy to stay in Crimea?

There were times when Russia believed in fairytales about "you have no enemies" and "NATO will never expand to the East". We've learned something from those.

Originally Posted by Suobig

NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.

"Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

"Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.

Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))

“Sometimes I wonder, maybe the bear should just sit quietly, munch on berries and honey rather than chasing after piglets, maybe then, they would leave it alone? But no, they wouldn’t, because they will always try to chain it up. And as soon as they chain it up, they will pull out its teeth and claws.”

By teeth and claws, Putin said he meant Russia’s nuclear weapons. The west was circling round to destroy Russia, so it could steal its natural resources, he continued. “Once they’ve taken out his claws and his teeth, then the bear is no longer necessary. He’ll become a stuffed animal.”

Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by diogen_

Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))



Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

LOL

Putin predicts economic recovery but warns West against pressuring Russian ‘bear’ - The Washington Post

Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.

At least, Russians can be rest assured they can be arrested when they complain publicly.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.

The crisis will be mostly over as soon as the oil prices come back to the per-crisis level or even higher. It may happen in one, two or three years or later, who knows, but inevitably it must happen when American fracking industry will be completely washed out of the market due to its huge losses. In the long run, Putin will get a bigger oil market share and win a victory as it always happened in the past. Putin is invincible.

Originally Posted by diogen_

The crisis will be mostly over as soon as the oil prices come back to the per-crisis level or even higher. It may happen in one, two or three years or later, who knows, but inevitably it must happen when American fracking industry will be completely washed out of the market due to its huge losses. In the long run, Putin will get a bigger oil market share and win a victory as it always happened in the past. Putin is invincible.

Okay. Let me know when you awake from fantasy land.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

LOL ...

Тебе б только посмеяться погромче.

Originally Posted by diogen_

Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

That's an effing lie. He has never said "I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble", this is completely made up. Although I'm not surprised, because it's the Guardian.

Originally Posted by hddscan

That's an effing lie. He has never said "I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble", this is completely made up. Although I'm not surprised, because it's the Guardian.

Where has he said he takes full responsibility? Or any responsibility? Find me one site, whether Western or Russian or any source.

He blames the West for part of it and low oil prices but never takes any responsibility at all or talks about his policies. He makes a vague reference in that video regarding 'heads of state' but that's it.

He also looks like he's going on full nutso mode:
Vladimir Putin in bizarre rant accusing the West of 'ripping out' Russia's claws - Mirror Online

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/18/world/...ech-dougherty/

Putin blames Western sanctions for economic crisis | Fox News

Putin speech sparks more ruble volatility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q5KBPHxkP4

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Where has he said he takes full responsibility? Or any responsibility? Find me one site, whether Western or Russian or any source.

I guess you are banned in google
But here you go - Путин заявил, что не уходит от ответственности за ситуацию в стране |

Originally Posted by Putin

"Ответственность за все, что происходит в стране, всегда лежит на главе государства, ну и дальше по ранжиру вниз"
"От этой ответственности я никогда не уклонялся и уклоняться не собираюсь"

Originally Posted by hddscan

I guess you are banned in google
But here you go - Путин заявил, что не уходит от ответственности за ситуацию в стране |

Perhaps, other Russians can comment?: Perhaps, he is saying he'll take responsibility but it sounds like he'll be 'responsible now.' Putin is not taking the blame for the predicament or saying he contributed to it in a signficant way. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter, does it? These problems were inevitable and he stole from the people with his oligarch friends. It's been happening for decades and stupid people there either put their heads in the sand or even supported the burglary.

I think, here, he blames the central banks in a vague statement?:
"В целом должна быть поднята персональная ответственность в Центральном банке и ответственных сотрудников правительства РФ за результаты работы на каждом участке, который им доверен. Вместе с тем считаю, что в целом административные структуры правительственной и финансовой власти справляются с тем задачами и проблемами, перед которыми стоит сегодня страна", — отметил он.

Originally Posted by diogen_

Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))



Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

The question is not how naive Putin is. The question is, how naive his followers among ordinary Russians are, and if there are limits for that naiveness at all.