Thread: Edward Snowden and his stay in Russia

It's logical, because vkontakte is under the patronage of FSB. Snowden escaped from the US secret services and came running to the Russian ones. It's amusing.

Originally Posted by Paul G.

It's logical, because vkontakte is under the patronage of FSB. Snowden escaped from the US secret services and came running to the Russian ones. It's amusing.

I actually agree with you here. It's ironic but amusing with all the posts of praise of Russia when they have their own spying and surveillance and abuse of rights of Russians.

Once again, I reiterate, he had little options and he chose Russia because they wanted to play a 'chess move' with the U.S. Not play some sort of principled favour.

I guess I have to be careful what I post as I am on some sort of 'FSB watch list' now.

Snowden won't be criticizing Russia any time soon. There's nowhere he can escape to after doing so. Unless he writes a condemning article in his senior years and then doesn't care what happens.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Snowden won't be criticizing Russia any time soon. There's nowhere he can escape to after doing so.

Более актуальным считаю другой вопрос: если он начнёт хвалить Россию, то куда "побежит" наша внутренняя "оппозиция"?
Сноуден для них и их хозяев - это идеологическая опасность.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

he chose Russia because they wanted to play a 'chess move' with the U.S. Not play some sort of principled favour.

I think, he's just a pawn, if one follows your analogy, so he can't play a vital part of the game. I mean, he can't make important decisions. Some PR actions here, some there, that's all. All the information he has is an open secret.

If we consider a situation with the "common free market zone" between the US and the EC, I assume, we can find some real reasons why Snowden did what he did. He gave PR trump cards those forces which don't think that the zone is a good idea and if Europe opens its market for the American goods it helps to overcome the crisis, but rather, on the contrary.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I guess I have to be careful what I post as I am on some sort of 'FSB watch list' now.

I doubt the FSB cares about what you write on an Russian language forum.

Besides, unlike a certain other country, Russia doesn't kidnap and torture people it doesn't like, lock them up indefinitely, torture and force feed them, or send drones to kill people it doesn't like.






Thanks Edward Snowden for at least TRYING to wake people up.
It's a pity that so many have their head full of Hollywood and propaganda to be concerned.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I doubt the FSB cares about what you write on an Russian language forum.

Besides, unlike a certain other country, Russia doesn't kidnap and torture people it doesn't like, lock them up indefinitely, torture and force feed them, or send drones to kill people it doesn't like.





Thanks Edward Snowden for at least TRYING to wake people up.
It's a pity that so many have their head full of Hollywood and propaganda to be concerned. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Now that is just creepy!

Originally Posted by Deborski

Now that is just creepy!

Ага, я вдруг узнаю мой айп! Сначала хотела вытереть, потом догадалась, что это каждый видит свой.

Доступность этой информации никакого отношения к нынешним скандалам с NSA не имеет - возможность определять IP, браузер и ОС стандартны для веба с древнейших времен.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Besides, unlike a certain other country, Russia doesn't kidnap and torture people it doesn't like

How do you know.

Originally Posted by dtrq

Доступность этой информации никакого отношения к нынешним скандалам с NSA не имеет - возможность определять IP, браузер и ОС стандартны для веба с древнейших времен.

How do you know.

Don't take it seriously. She's trolling.

Originally Posted by dtrq

Доступность этой информации никакого отношения к нынешним скандалам с NSA не имеет - возможность определять IP, браузер и ОС стандартны для веба с древнейших времен.

Yes, those of us who are technical and/or work in IT know this. But if you look a the comments, you can see that it's obvious that several others don't.

Originally Posted by dtrq

How do you know.

If you know of any recent examples of Russia doing that, then please share them here. I am not aware that Russia snatches people abroad, takes them back to Russia and locks them up indefinitely, or that Russia assassinates non-Russians abroad. If you have information to the contrary, by all means share it.

Originally Posted by Hanna

...or that Russia assassinates non-Russians abroad

Do you mean by this that it's ok for the Russian authorities to assassinate Russians abroad?

Originally Posted by Hanna

If you know of any recent examples of Russia doing that, then please share them here. I am not aware that Russia snatches people abroad, takes them back to Russia and locks them up indefinitely, or that Russia assassinates non-Russians abroad. If you have information to the contrary, by all means share it.

Probably, Russia do assassinate her enemies abroad (if she can). For example, this Chechen militant was allegedly killed by Russian agents in Qatar.

Originally Posted by xdns

Probably, Russia do assassinate her enemies abroad (if she can). For example, this Chechen militant was allegedly killed by Russian agents in Qatar.

If that is true, it is bad. I don't support that at all, regardless who is doing it. The US, Russia, Israel...

The other possible example of Russia killing somebody abroad (at least according to British tabloids) is Alexander Litvinenko, the ex spy who lived in London. No idea if it's true or not. Frankly, the way it was done seems too amateurish, based on what I read in the papers. Probably it was not done by a pro.

But still regardless of these two possible cases, Russia does this on a significantly lesser scale than the USA, isn't it - and Russia isn't buying drones for the purpose, or blackmailing European nations into giving logistics support, which the US did.
I know that the USSR did such things in the 1930s, like with Trotsky, and many others who had fled abroad or been exiled. Very, very disturbing and no excuse for it as far as I'm concerned.

But the main perpetrator of foreign executions at the moment is the USA - or are you denying that?