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    "Stay away from the police"


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    Some comments from that video:

    "Hey idiot liar! I am foreigner traveler to UKRAINE nobody arrest me for many years of going in Ukraine! You fuckin Liar this is what I hate from this cunts they came to Ukraine and behaving like they are the best in Town, I am sure nobody appreciates you for being cocky in Ukraine, Ukrainians treat foreigners just like them so when you are in Ukraine my piece of advice don't treat them like a piece of shit because they don't give a godamn care from which country you came from."
    Blackdevil Artemisia
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    "This is actually strange why so many people making lies doing anything just
    to give a bad name to Ukraine police? Ukrainian police hates you when you drive
    over the speed limit, parking in a wrong place. Yes, they will come to investigate
    you, but recently I saw Polish violated traffic sign, left his car for many
    hours in the middle of intersection in Center Kyiv. If it was Ukrainian did it,
    I am sure the Police bring the crane to drag that car away."

    Blackdevil Artemisia 6 days ago


    "AT the airport the police are polite, they greet me and they now speaking
    english, they really doing very good Ukraine changed alot and I am impressed by
    their service, they served me very good in the airport. If you don't provoke
    anyone nobody will arrest you, but you know what's happening in Ukraine? some
    english speakers so nasty, they laughed to non english speakers Ukrainian police,
    violating traffic rules being so cocky & arrogant, If you walk straight,
    drive properly nobody will arrest you"


    Blackdevil
    Artemisia 6 days ago



    "Another liar speaking russian man in the video making up stories against
    Ukraine and it's people. This is funny I have been to this place for 50 times
    and 3 days ago I've arrive to my home country I spent a month recently in
    Ukraine, the place is very safe, I also tried their public transport nobody try
    to ask my passport this is all lie. In subway lots of Ukrainian police they don't
    bother to talk to me that I am even sexy and beautiful. I know only english but
    why no police bother to stop me?"

    Blackdevil Artemisia 6 days ago


    "Next to the police issue Ukraine really is quite a safe place.. I lived in
    Kyiv for half a year and I never experience anything threatening. Well, traffic
    can be quite intimidating, you'd want to watch out, especially if expensive cars
    are on the road. But I never heard of any shooting or stabbing or anything like
    that. Well, I'm just saying that foreigners shouldn't be scared, just behave,
    don't drink in public (why is that illegal?), and watch out in
    traffic."


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    that's nice of you, however by doing that you seem to deny this forum users the ability to find these comments on their own

    we're adults here and everybody is able to form his/her own opinion by whatever means they find suitable

    this i consider inappropriately paternalistic approach which is insulting to users' competence to an extent

    such phrases as Another liar, making lies, Hey idiot liar!, You fuckin Liar, this cunts actually discredit the entire opinion of that whoever who left that garbage

    4 out of 5 comments come from that same whoever


    the opinions in the video are balanced enough to not provoke such overreaction, these people actually encourage visiting Ukraine

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    I think the Portuguese guy is lying or exaggerating. And how stupid to keep 500 Euro in the pocket of his jacket! If you did that in most cities, you might get pick-pocketed. Plus - if you want to attract attention from the wrong type of people, walk around in flashy clothes loaded with expensive gadgets and speak in loud English in the street... Not a good idea anywhere including Ukraine. Plus to be honest, he probably had a travel insurance and if he really was robbed he'd get the money back, whereas many people in Ukraine are living on a pittance. I don't feel sorry for this guy either way.

    Lots of people will be going to Ukraine this summer for the Euro 2012 Football Games. People will be able to form their own opinion and probably tell their friends when they get back.

    I had a great time in Ukraine and felt that people in general were very warm. They gave me directions, helped me with bags and were much friendlier than what I am used to in Western Europe. Not a single person tried to scam me or do anything along those lines.

    There are bad people everywhere! Obviously it is a shame if they work for the police, if so they should be sacked. I had no problem with the police in Ukraine.

    For me, the disappointment in Ukraine was that the language situation - everything is written in Ukrainian, and I wanted to practice Russian. But I was super impressed by Kiev - had no idea it was such a grand city.

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    if you're approached by police my advice is to shoot them... with your camera, they might not like it and usually they don't but it's legal, if your rights are violated you'll be able to prove that

    they have the right to check your ID if there's suspicion of crime, you have the right to know the reasons for ID examination
    in case of detention they must explain the grounds for their actions

    don't sign anything you can't understand (pretty much common sense but under pressure people sometimes concede)


    Hanna, I don't doubt your experience and I believe it's rather norm than exception, it should be however noted that first of all you're a woman and women are much less prone to conflicts with laws everywhere, and secondly the general climate has changed since Yanukovich came to power (i don't know how long ago you visited), the police regained its confidence which is potentially hazardous when coupled with judiciary illiteracy, poor training and discipline, low cultural level and virtual impunity

    Of course the climate first and foremost affects the local population however it might occasionally rub foreigners as well


    The guy in the video was talking about stolen 40 Euros, he tried to say 500 but immediately corrected himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    For me, the disappointment in Ukraine was that the language situation - everything is written in Ukrainian, and I wanted to practice Russian.
    Next time you're in Stockholm, ask yourself this question, how come the language situation in Sweden is so inconvenient as having everything written in Swedish/English while you need to practice Russian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Next time you're in Stockholm, ask yourself this question, how come the language situation in Sweden is so inconvenient as having everything written in Swedish/English while you need to practice Russian.
    This does not work at all as a metaphor. Nobody in Sweden has Russian as their mother tongue, whereas in Ukraine, it is a very large part of the population.

    And I am not complaining about it - it is the business of the Ukrainians what language they want to have notices and street signs in - not my business.

    ALL I am saying, my dear "Eric" is that it was unexpected and inconvenient for ME.

    I adored Kiev - it was really special and I want to explore the city more some time in the future. I am really jealous of my colleague who is visiting for the football game in this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LXNDR View Post
    Hanna, I don't doubt your experience and I believe it's rather norm than exception, it should be however noted that first of all you're a woman and women are much less prone to conflicts with laws everywhere, and secondly the general climate has changed since Yanukovich came to power (i don't know how long ago you visited), the police regained its confidence which is potentially hazardous when coupled with judiciary illiteracy, poor training and discipline, low cultural level and virtual impunity
    I was there in April 2011. I think Yanukovich was in power then.
    Another pleasant surprise in Ukraine is that guys are typically gentlemen!
    Much more so than in Scandianvia and London. I liked that.
    I'd actually recommend a trip to Kiev as a perfect short break for anyone from Western Europe. In contrast to Russia and Belarus there is no visa requirement so it's absolutely hassle free, but still exciting and quite different from the rest of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    This does not work at all as a metaphor. Nobody in Sweden has Russian as their mother tongue, whereas in Ukraine, it is a very large part of the population.

    And I am not complaining about it - it is the business of the Ukrainians what language they want to have notices and street signs in - not my business.

    ALL I am saying, my dear "Eric" is that it was unexpected and inconvenient for ME.

    I adored Kiev - it was really special and I want to explore the city more some time in the future. I am really jealous of my colleague who is visiting for the football game in this summer.
    I'll tell you what, "Hanna" - nothing stops you from going there for the soccer champ as well and stopping being jealous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Next time you're in Stockholm, ask yourself this question, how come the language situation in Sweden is so inconvenient as having everything written in Swedish/English while you need to practice Russian.
    It could be quite inconvenient in any country when most people speak one language but all signs around in another.
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    It could be quite inconvenient in any country when most people speak one language but all signs around in another.
    It's quite ok as long as the people understand the language the signs are in. (as far as I know, in Ukraine not only can everyone understand Ukrainian, but also perfectly speak it)

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