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    Did you read that British police at Heathrow (main airport in London) stopped the Brazilian (gay) partner of Greenwald, the British journalist who had been liasing with Snowden.

    Greenwald (wisely) lives in Brazil. The Brazilian guy was just passing the UK in transit. However, they seized his laptop, memory sticks and lots of other electronic stuff, and haven't given it back.

    They held him for 9 hours using a terrorism clause, then released him. He is understandably furious, since he wasn't even involved in Greenwald's journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Did you read that British police at Heathrow (main airport in London) stopped the Brazilian (gay) partner of Greenwald, the British journalist who had been liasing with Snowden.

    Greenwald (wisely) lives in Brazil. The Brazilian guy was just passing the UK in transit. However, they seized his laptop, memory sticks and lots of other electronic stuff, and haven't given it back.

    They held him for 9 hours using a terrorism clause, then released him. He is understandably furious, since he wasn't even involved in Greenwald's journalism.
    Yes, I read about it. That was the article I posted above!
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Yes, I read about it. That was the article I posted above!
    Уф, как всё же мне повезло, что я не поехал на олимпиаду в Лондон

    А вообще, грустно всё это...
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    Уф, как всё же мне повезло, что я не поехал на олимпиаду в Лондон

    А вообще, грустно всё это...
    I've stated it on other threads and I'll state it again. I never supported a boycott of the Sochi Games.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    We need to boycott Olympics in Europe and the US otherwise if you'd go there and you will be called homophobe. Everybody hates Russians there
    будем все ветки красить в голубой цвет?

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    Да нет, тут что-то другое. Если в Лондоне людей в мусор превращают, то уж лучше дома сидеть.
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    Snowden stayed at Russian Consulate while in Hong Kong, report says - The Washington Post

    Putin already knew about it and was lying - as usual. Not only that, but, I stated he was 'an opportunist.' That is proven correct, also. So, ppl saying 'yay for Putin' or crediting him with anything are shown to be fools. Putin supporters are fools, whether they are Americans or Russians. Governments always lie but so many people just don't realize it, I guess.
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    By now, I am sure most of you have heard that Bradley Manning has changed his name to Chelsea Manning and wants to be sent to a prison for women instead of a prison for men. I do not claim to understand why anyone wants to change their sexual identity, but I support their right to do that if they want. But I have to say, it does not seem like a very wise choice for Bradley/Chelsea to make right now... he/she could end up in the all-male prison where he/she will be beaten and raped. Or, maybe he/she will end up in a women's prison - in which case, he/she may be a genius. I have no idea.

    Manning lawyer gives more details on decision to become 'Chelsea' - U.S. News
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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Snowden wins whistleblower award in Germany — RT News

    From this article:

    The organizers of the prize commended Snowden’s work, stating that he had uncovered “massive and unsuspecting monitoring and storage of communication data, which cannot be accepted in democratic societies.”

    The audience also heard a statement by Edward Snowden from Russia read out at the ceremony. “We should never forget the lessons of history when surveillance took the upper hand,” he said.

    “Not only did [German Chancellor Angela Merkel], it seems, allow the US to spy on Germany, but it seems she also helped the US to spy on Germany. So this is one of the reasons why Edward Snowden has received this award,” RT correspondent Peter Oliver said from the ceremony in Berlin. “He is being honored with this by a number of groups for his work in revealing what turns out to be the wide ranging spying activities of the NSA and the US.”

    The whistleblower award was first awarded in 1999 under the auspices of the Association of German Scientists and the German chapter of the International Association of Lawyers Against Nuclear Arms (IALANA).
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Snowden’s father has not yet been issued Russian visa – report — RT News

    Apparently Edward Snowden's father is having difficulty coming to Moscow to visit him. Is this just typical bureaucratic red tape encountered during the visa process? Or is something else going on?

    The father of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden still cannot enter Moscow to visit his son because the Russian consulate needs the Foreign Ministry to sanction his visa before it can be issued, Russian media reported.

    "The fact is that Lon Snowden still does not have a valid Russia visa,” a source close to Snowden Sr. said, as quoted by ITAR-TASS news agency. “When Lon’s lawyers asked for an explanation at one of the Russian consular offices, the response was that Russian Foreign Ministry needs to issue a sanction, which was not done yet, and only then a visa can be issued.”

    Lon Snowden and his lawyer Bruce Fein appeared on ABC News on August 11, stating that they had received Russian visas and believed their trip would happen in the near future. Both Snowden and Fein thought the visa issue had already been resolved.

    The source could not name the reasons for the delay, but did note that Snowden Sr. is still planning a trip to Moscow and is looking forward to seeing his son.
    In other news, sounds like Edward has learned a few Russian words.

    In the meantime, Snowden is spending his time traveling across Russia. He is learning about local customs and traditions through books that were passed on to him, Moskovskiy Komsomolets newspaper cited Snowden’s lawyer Anatoly Kucherena as saying.

    The whistleblower is now able to speak a little bit of Russian. “Some words he can pronounce very clearly,” Kucherena said.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Is this just typical bureaucratic red tape encountered during the visa process? Or is something else going on?
    У меня две версии:
    1) Американскую визу получить тоже не просто и не быстро. Так что, наша бюрократия мстит.
    2) ФСБ нужно время на разработку операции "встреча отца и сына". Надо сделать так, чтобы американские шпионы не пронюхали, где младший Сноуден живёт. А Старший Сноуден может привести за собой "хвост".
    In other news, sounds like Edward has learned a few Russian words.
    Эти слова цензурные, надеюсь...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Юрка View Post
    У меня две версии:
    1) Американскую визу получить тоже не просто и не быстро. Так что, наша бюрократия мстит.
    2) ФСБ нужно время на разработку операции "встреча отца и сына". Надо сделать так, чтобы американские шпионы не пронюхали, где младший Сноуден живёт. А Старший Сноуден может привести за собой "хвост".
    Вот, интересный взгляд... наверное, правильно. Спасибо.
    Last edited by Deborski; September 4th, 2013 at 04:43 PM. Reason: исправляла ошибки
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Вот, интересный вид... Наверное правильно. Спасибо.
    интересный взгляд
    наверное
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Вот, интересный взгляд... наверное, правильно. Спасибо.
    Дебора, у меня родилась ещё одна версия: Сирия.
    Возможно, что наши дипломаты решили не поднимать и не бередить скандальную тему Сноудена, пока есть шанс решить сирийскую проблему. В обоих случаях речь идёт о гуманитарных проблемах, но ставки в Сирии больше. Но как только Сирию начнут бомбить, наши дадут визу.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Юрка View Post
    Дебора, у меня родилась ещё одна версия: Сирия.
    Возможно, что наши дипломаты решили не поднимать и не бередить скандальную тему Сноудена, пока есть шанс решить сирийскую проблему. В обоих случаях речь идёт о гуманитарных проблемах, но ставки в Сирии больше. Но как только Сирию начнут бомбить, наши дадут визу.
    Я согласна, что ставки в Сирии больше.
    Интересная теория.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us...s.html?hp&_r=0

    N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens

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    Отец Сноудена прилетел сегодня в Москву. Адвокат Кучерена заметил слежку. Ссылка.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Юрка View Post
    Адвокат Кучерена заметил слежку
    ЦРУ такие очаровашки

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    Check out the fantastic interview with Assange on RT today, covering the subject of Snowden in depth.

    Turns out that Sarah Harrison a British journalist is also hiding in Russia for her involvement with the Snowden leaks. She literally can't return to the UK without facing arrest.
    For telling the freaking truth in the so-called free media!
    That's where we got to.

    Assange thinks she'll have to stay indefinitely in Russia too.

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    Father of Edward Snowden says the NSA leaker is 'totally happy' and 'feels that his life is out of danger' in Russia | Mail Online

    NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden is enjoying his new life in Russia and believes he is out of danger, his father Lon claimed on today.

    'He feels safe here and totally happy,' said Snowden senior as he left Moscow after an 'emotional' reunion with his controversial 'whistleblower' son.

    'He is grateful to Russia, and admits that he imagined it to be a very different country.'
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