Thread: Edward Snowden and his stay in Russia

Originally Posted by Hanna

Ok, point taken.
You disapproved that I made a strongly worded comment about how disappointed I'd be if Russia does not grant Snowden asylum.
Supposedly because in your view, it's not my business, or I am not sufficiently clued up about Russia.

You seem to have missed the fact that this is essentially a compliment on Russia.
While the European countries forced a plane to land on the mere suspicion that Snowden might be onboard, Russia is considering granting him asylum. Just proves that Russia is a country that still has independence. If it gave in to pressure it would be on the same level as the UK, Spain, Sweden and many other European countries that will just as "how high" when the US says "jump".

You missed the point as well
Russia lives in very troubling times now and the last thing it needs is to stick another splinter to the USA's butt.
That "hero" Snowden takes a big dump right in the middle the White House and then runs for his life, takes Russia as a hostage and now asks for asylum. Russia does not need him, nobody needs him. He's like misbehaved teenager caught on smoking pot in the school tries to escape the punishment.
If Russia decides to give Snowden to the US I would think that this decision would be very hard but justified for Russia. Because his life is not worth the trouble for Russia, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Doomer

You missed the point as well
Russia lives in very troubling times now and the last thing it needs is to stick another splinter to the USA's butt.
That "hero" Snowden takes a big dump right in the middle the White House and then runs for his life, takes Russia as a hostage and now asks for asylum. Russia does not need him, nobody needs him. He's like misbehaved teenager caught on smoking pot in the school tries to escape the punishment.
If Russia decides to give Snowden to the US I would think that this decision would be very hard but justified for Russia. Because his life is not worth the trouble for Russia, in my opinion.
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That's a very inaccurate representation of what happened. The U.S. was caught and presented with proof of gross misconduct and violation of their own Constitution. American politicians and political figures implied that Snowden would NOT receive a fair trial. Snowden, understandably, would request political asylum.

The U.S. intimidated and blackmailed potential countries where he might want to go to apply and this is yet another violation of International law, is it not? There's a pattern of corrupt and unethical actions from the highest political office in the U.S. Furthermore, Obama has reneged on his promise to offer and provide assistance for whistleblowers. It's not a surprise that he's lied yet again. The U.S. has provided political asylum for citizens of other countries. They've accepted applications but have they suddenly extradited any of these citizens back to their countries of origin or where they received their citizenship/passport? How many have they sent back to Russia? So, why is it pertinent that Russia suddenly is obligated to 'break the rules?' The U.S. is the one caught and they want someone to pay.

There's also the theory that this was orchestrated (the CIA/NSA theories) but I won't get into that. This thread is full of nonsense and irrational arguments but I find it funny when Americans call him a traitor based on the most absurd arguments. At least, construct your arguments with something that makes sense and is valid.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

That's a very inaccurate representation of what happened. The U.S. was caught and presented with proof of gross misconduct and violation of their own Constitution. American politicians and political figures implied that Snowden would NOT receive a fair trial. Snowden, understandably, would request political asylum.

Why does Russia need to pay for the US political wars?

Originally Posted by Doomer

Why does Russia need to pay for the US political wars?

How will they pay? Do they always adhere with the U.S. position on everything? Is there some reason why they can't follow the law regarding Asylum requests like everyone else?
It sounds like a cop-out to me to try and promote your argument there.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

How will they pay?

With money
PressTV - US Senate mulling sanctions against Russia over Snowden

Originally Posted by Doomer

With money
PressTV - US Senate mulling sanctions against Russia over Snowden

Money they borrowed from the Chinese though! That's all the actual money they've got, the rest is negative, or simply inflated pieces of paper. Nothing Russia needs, of value, is actually MADE in the USA. The electronics and all the rest of it is made in China! The USA hasn't got very long left as a super power. And when it's off the scene, the power will be with the Chinese, possibly Russia/CIS and/or the EU if it can ever agree on anything internally.

It will certainly count in Russia' favour as a symbolic point, if they treat Snowden well, if nothing else.
The USA is ONE country. There are plenty others, many of whom will judge Russia for how they deal with Snowden. Virtually all of South America for example! They currently have a high view of Russia. But that would change, if Russia sells out Snowden! Things are changing.

This is a chance to use a human example to show the world that Russia has it's spine back, it's a country to be reckoned with again and will not be bullied or be a puppet. Hope Putin considers all this.

If Russia lets economic interests alone rule its foreign policy then its no better than the USA, or the whoring EU countries on a bad day....

I think Russia should forget what the USA thinks and instead impress the South Americans, show the Chinese how its done, as well as Africans and Asians. I.e. Russia's back in business, has some principles and spine, and give asylum to whoever it pleases!

Edward Snowden can be an asset for the country, if Russia welcomes him warmly.

Originally Posted by Hanna

The electronics and all the rest of it is made in China!

CPUs of many computers in the world are made in the USA
China doesn't have much of technology to produce competitive stuff on their own

Originally Posted by Doomer

With money
PressTV - US Senate mulling sanctions against Russia over Snowden

LOL! The American manufacturing industry is dying.

What are Russia's trading partners

http://stat.wto.org/CountryProfile/W...e=S&Country=RU

You see the USA on that list?

The subsequent posts here are getting worse every time. I guess you guys can argue about Snowden. Too many stupid posts bore me.

Originally Posted by Doomer

Why does Russia need to pay for the US political wars?

Actually, I think the view that this has nothing to do with Russia is valid.
And I can see why regular Russians think it's more trouble than it's worth to annoy the USA by protecting Snowden.

Personally I wish it was MY country that had the opportunity and the will to take in Snowden... But I know it's not going to happen, so I hope Russia will take him in, and I'm thinking Russia should be less susceptible to US bullying than most other countries. It's not like the two countries were best friends to start with.

I don't agree with Doomer's view but I understand where he's coming from.