Thread: Economic Sanctions against Russia and Russia’s Retaliatory Trade Measures

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An interesting article: http://plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos...idarticulo=260

"President Franklin Delano Roosevelt when asked in 1940 why he did not embargo oil to Japan explained that this would have been a declaration of war. He launched the embargo on July 25, 1941. So any suggestion that the EU and the United States are not in a state of war with Russia is false."

I think the article is not too bad, however it seems too far hysterical and far reaching to me. First, there's fundamental difference between the energy (oil) embargo and any other type of embargo. In 1940s Japan related heavily on oil to the extent that: "[...] leading the Imperial Japanese Navy to estimate that it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining [...]" Events leading to the attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, to draw a proper analogy, if Russia would stop exporting gas to Europe (as the article suggests) that would be Russian declaration of war against Europe (which I think would never happen). So, the present US and European's sanctions are way too far from being a declaration of war.


Second, the proposed plan to dismember Ukraine as a way to please Russia and Germany seems to be too stretched out. As the latest events had shown, Russia is ok if the sovereign Ukraine stays neutral. (And by the latest events I mean the Agreement on the Settlement of Crisis in Ukraine dated 21 February, 2014.) Unfortunately, as the opposition who have subsequently gained power demonstrated their determination not to respect the agreements and, subsequently, exceed their authority, Russia was forced into alternative ways to ensure their security.


Third, the article provides pitches scattered all over which make it look less realistic and more biased, like a demand to remove the missile base from Europe since, allegedly, Russian territory is fully covered by the nuclear-submarines'-carried Tridents anyways, so why the waste? That assumes that the military guys are stupid and that is not the case. The basics that the article's author is to be aware of is that the keyword in nuclear strategy is *diversification* and *proliferation*. The principal states that it is possible to destroy each and every component of the nuclear warhead delivery system, but it is never possible to destroy all of the components, hence rendering the assault useless. And so on.

These types of Russians support stuff like this:

Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposes to bomb Germany and burn Paris - - World in the joinfo.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9R0Rr5I_U

Putinoids really are mentally disturbed.

First of all. Zhirinovsky is not a "putinoid", he is pro-Zhirinovsky. Now he sees fit to support Putin - he does it. Tomorrow the situation changes and his views will change dramatically.
Second. This video has been edited and very roughly - it's clearly seen. The frames were cut in the middle of a phrase.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

First of all. Zhirinovsky is not a "putinoid", he is pro-Zhirinovsky. Now he sees fit to support Putin - he does it. Tomorrow the situation changes and his views will change dramatically.
Second. This video has been edited and very roughly - it's clearly seen. The frames were cut in the middle of a phrase.

(Deleted. L.) Zhrinovsky is a Putinoid. He's Putin's puppet - controlled opposition. Anyway, maybe you are trying to achieve your quota of paid Kremlin posts.

Well, well... Let's see the original version of Zhirinovsky's speech?



All the words mixed up and the sense completely changed. And 14Russian once again approved his lier status. No surprise.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

All the words mixed up and the sense completely changed. And 14Russian once again approved his lier status. No surprise.

You don't know what the definition of lying is. But, your Kremlin tricks won't work.

A Russian sent me the info.

Rech fyurera Zhirinovskogo. Razbombit Germaniyu.

Putinoids will be Putinoids.

Zhirinovsky is one of the oldest Russian politicians. His party exists since 1989. He used to be a candidate for all the presidential elections in Russia beginning 1991. Nobody even heard about Putin at that time. He survived the break-down of the Soviet Union, the Presidency of Yeltsin, he's probably going to survive everyone and everything.
But I am not going to discuss anything with you anymore, because it would mean to level with you and I cannot let myself come down so low. Западло.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Zhirinovsky is one of the oldest Russian politicians. His party exists since 1989. He used to be a candidate for all the presidential elections in Russia beginning 1991. Nobody even heard about Putin at that time. He survived the break-down of the Soviet Union, the Presidency of Yeltsin, he's probably going to survive everyone and everything.
But I am not going to discuss anything with you anymore, because it would mean to level with you and I cannot let myself come down so low. Западло.

So what if he is one of the oldest ones? He's even considered a clown in Russia but it's well known, he's a Putin puppet. He's used by the Kremlin. He has free reign to say whatever, in the Duma. In fact, more than one Russian I talk to has conceded this. I don't know what you are trying to say here - except info that is irrelevant to the argument.

'But I am not going to discuss anything with you anymore, because it would mean to level with you and I cannot let myself come down so low. Западло.'
Um, okay?!? Делай что хочешь.

Apparently, Russia needs more sanctions?

Terrorists trained in Russia are caught after trying to kill Ukrainians during a peace march.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyi...es-381532.html

Putin must have to recruit people with major mental problems but I guess that circumstance is quite prevalent after reading posts here and other places where these sentiments exist. The amount of support and Putin/Kremlin sympathism is too great to simply declare it's a coincidence.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Terrorists trained in Russia are caught after trying to kill Ukrainians during a peace march.

Yeah, about that

1. Terrorist attack happened at ~13:30 02.22.2015
2. Turchinov said that terrorists were caught (note was published at 15:30, same day) - http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2015/02/22/7059383/

Секретарь СНБО сообщил, что СБУ совместно с МВД начали антитеррористическую операцию "в результате которой уже задержаны 4 участника подрыва и изъято оружие, в том числе гранатомет".

3. On a video (published at 20:30, same day) where terrorists were "caught" it's night, so it cannot be between 13:30 and 15:30. It's just begs a question why to make a fake again?
And here is that video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT8a0o9JscE. See 2:15 on a video for в том числе гранатомет

Since this video is obviously fake/staged begs another question, who were the actual terrorists?

Some food for thought
Плод. Должен. Созреть. - Теракт в Харькове 22.02.2015: Неряшливая и бездарная провокация СБУ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht-3x0V1A-4

The West must have to recruit people with major mental problems to actually believe in that fake but I guess that circumstance is quite prevalent after reading posts here and other places where these sentiments exist.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

...a peace march.

Lol. Poor "peaceful" nazi militants killed by their own masters once again, like it was on Maidan.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Lol. Poor "peaceful" nazi militants killed by their own masters once again, like it was on Maidan.

"Lol"? Ого, как смешно, когда люди гибнут.

Originally Posted by Lampada

"LOL"? Ого, как смешно, когда люди гибнут.

Люди? Мне абсолютно наплевать, сколько нацистов из падальёнов и активистов "Правого сектора" подорвались на бомбе, подложенной СБУ по команде ЦРУ-шников из Лэнгли. А вот когда каждый день на Донбассе у себя в домах гибнут ни в чём не повинные дети, женщины и старики под снарядами доблестных украинских вояк - это действительно трагедия. Только несколько дней назад был случай, когда родители спрятали детей в ванную во время обстрела, чтобы осколками не посекло, а туда попал снаряд. В западных СМИ про это не пишут и такое не показывают. Так что вот по ком, а по этим дохлым уродам с "мирного марша" я плакать точно не собираюсь.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Люди? Мне абсолютно наплевать, сколько нацистов из падальёнов и активистов "Правого сектора" подорвались на бомбе, подложенной СБУ по команде ЦРУ-шников из Лэнгли. А вот когда каждый день на Донбассе у себя в домах гибнут ни в чём не повинные дети, женщины и старики под снарядами доблестных украинских вояк - это действительно трагедия. Только несколько дней назад был случай, когда родители спрятали детей в ванную во время обстрела, чтобы осколками не посекло, а туда попал снаряд. В западных СМИ про это не пишут и такое не показывают. Так что вот по ком, а по этим дохлым уродам с "мирного марша" я плакать точно не собираюсь.

Получаешь предупреждение за троллизм.

I think that last video is way too simplifying.
Let's not forget that:
1. If there would no buyer then there would be no income for a seller (like Russia and China)
2. If there would be no way to pay debt it wouldn't mean that life or economy would stop on that. Russia went through a default for example and it's still alive and kicking.

(Deleted. L.)
Any Russian (national - who knows what group you belong to) who promotes Putin and the status quo that much is pathetic.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

(Deleted. L.)
Any Russian (national - who knows what group you belong to) who promotes Putin and the status quo that much is pathetic.

If Рutin promoted the "status quo", he would have Russia block the Russia-Ukraine border just as he learned about the crazy nutjobs there fighting everyone "in the name of Russians". Looking at what it is now, it can't be called anything but an aggressive war. And we all know who takes whose side in that conflict, so what "status quo" are you talking about?