Thread: Economic Sanctions against Russia and Russia’s Retaliatory Trade Measures

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I fully encourage you also to break your iPhone/iPad with a hammer, like one Russian dude already did (and posted the evidence to youtube); it's very unfortunate if your car isn't Lada or Volga, too, coz otherwise you'll have to drown it in a lake. Money account or cash savings in dollars/euros? You'd better do anything to not let comrade Putin find it out, you don't want to let down his great trust in you, do you? And whatever happens, keep one thing in mind, whatever comrade Putin does, he does for the sake of your happiness and prosperity, and he's going to gain or lose from his every decision just the way YOU're going to gain/lose from them.

This all sounds like a private message. And could you please stop using this sarcastic tone against members here?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I fully encourage you also to break your iPhone/iPad with a hammer

I thought China is not under sanctions Anyway you suggestion looks silly, maybe everybody should stop using periodic table, Russian rockets, Russian natural resources and so on, to follow your logic.

The ban definitely looks interesting: it promotes Russian patriotism, supports Russian agriculture, increases involvement of Russia in BRICS and shows the West that sanctions could work in both directions.

But both sides will suffer, for sure.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I fully encourage you also to break your iPhone/iPad with a hammer, like one Russian dude already did (and posted the evidence to youtube); it's very unfortunate if your car isn't Lada or Volga, too, coz otherwise you'll have to drown it in a lake. Money account or cash savings in dollars/euros? You'd better do anything to not let comrade Putin find it out, you don't want to let down his great trust in you, do you? And whatever happens, keep one thing in mind, whatever comrade Putin does, he does for the sake of your happiness and prosperity, and he's going to gain or lose from his every decision just the way YOU're going to gain/lose from them.

IPhones and iPads are assembled in China. Besides, there are a lot of cheap smart-phones and tablet PCs 100% made by China, so this is not an issue at all. Korean and Japanese cars are not a bit worse than the European ones, and the quality of Chinese cars has improved drastically in recent years, as well as that of lada-make cars. So, it's also is not a threat. Although Japan joined the sanctions it made it very reluctantly and there is no wonder, for Japan cannot stay aside watching the Russian-Chinese convergence.

I have a question to Lampada. The decision of the USA and EU to introduce the sanctions against Russia is obviously connected with the Ukraine situation. Since all of the forum threads referring the political situation in Ukraine are banned on this site, I wonder why this one isn't?

Originally Posted by SergeMak

...I have a question to Lampada. The decision of the USA and EU to introduce the sanctions against Russia is obviously connected with the Ukraine situation. Since all of the forum threads referring the political situation in Ukraine are banned on this site, I wonder why this one isn't?

Упс! Поймали с поличным. Ожидала такой вопрос. Отвечаю: дискуссии о трагедии в Украине не должны были быть забанены на МР, но, как известно, перешли в откровенное перебрасывание "какашками" и всяких оскорблений в адрес людей и стран, что не могло здесь продолжаться. Теперь же эта тема, открытая Антонио, которого интересует всякая экономика, вроде бы обещает в потенциале строиться на чинной, добропорядочной и взаимоуважительной основе. Я думаю, что это вполне возможно, конечно, при желании участников.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Упс! Поймали с поличным. Ожидала такой вопрос. Отвечаю: дискуссии о трагедии в Украине не должны были быть забанены на МР, но, как известно, перешли в откровенное перебрасывание "какашками" и всяких оскорблений в адрес людей и стран, что не могло здесь продолжаться. Теперь же эта тема, открытая Антонио, которого интересует всякая экономика, вроде бы обещает в потенциале строиться на чинной, добропорядочной и взаимоуважительной основе. Я думаю, что это вполне возможно, конечно, при желании участников.

As an economist I am interested mainly in the economic aspects.
I didn't link the issue with the Ukraine at all, even if it is connected.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

I have a question to Lampada. The decision of the USA and EU to introduce the sanctions against Russia is obviously connected with the Ukraine situation. Since all of the forum threads referring the political situation in Ukraine are banned on this site, I wonder why this one isn't?

while I can understand Serge's logic with this question, I for one feel that reasonable debate and exchange of opinions should be encouraged rather than banned. These are after all real and current world happenings that affect people's life. If we can't talk even about them, who can?

Originally Posted by eisenherz

while I can understand Serge's logic with this question, I for one feel that reasonable debate and exchange of opinions should be encouraged rather than banned. These are after all real and current world happenings that affect people's life. If we can't talk even about them, who can?

Do you mean that the happenings in South-East of Ukraine don't affect people's life? Or do you mean that the inhabitants of that region are not people at all?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I fully encourage you also to break your iPhone/iPad with a hammer, like one Russian dude already did (and posted the evidence to youtube); it's very unfortunate if your car isn't Lada or Volga, too, coz otherwise you'll have to drown it in a lake.

My cellphone was made in Malaysia and no, I don't use and never used Apple products. I always thought it's overestimated marketing garbage.

Money account or cash savings in dollars/euros? You'd better do anything to not let comrade Putin find it out, you don't want to let down his great trust in you, do you?

All my savings and bank accounts are in roubles. I only buy dollars/euros when go to vacation abroad.

And whatever happens, keep one thing in mind, whatever comrade Putin does, he does for the sake of your happiness and prosperity, and he's going to gain or lose from his every decision just the way YOU're going to gain/lose from them.

I'm pretty anti-Putin actually. I still think he is a corrupt crook. But I agree with him on food embargo. It's a good thing in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Basil77

My cellphone is maid in Malaysia

I'm sure it was a typo but just in case, it's "made" not "maid". Don't beat me too hard

Originally Posted by hddscan

I'm sure it was a typo but just in case, it's "made" not "maid". Don't beat me too hard

Thanks

Originally Posted by Basil77

I fully support Putin's food embargo from hostile countries

Cyprus is not a hostile country.
With its 700,000 population is supporting Russia in both European Commission and Council.
We with Germany and other countries have voted many times against strict economical measures against Russia supported by Latvia, Estonia, Poland etc.
I suppose there are also other countries within Europe that support Russian for many reasons (economical, political, cultural etc).

Originally Posted by Antonio1986

Cyprus is not a hostile country.
With its 700,000 population is supporting Russia in both European Commission and Council.
We with Germany and other countries have voted many times against strict economical measures against Russia supported by Latvia, Estonia, Poland etc.
I suppose there are also other countries within Europe that support Russian for many reasons (economical, political, cultural etc).

That's a problem
Although sanctions are supported by the EU, so Russia retaliated against the EU.
Those countries that were against the sanctions before need to put pressure on Brussels to lift the sanctions. Somebody gotta do the job.

Originally Posted by hddscan

That's a problem
Although sanctions are supported by the EU, so Russia retaliated against the EU.
Those countries that were against the sanctions before need to put pressure on Brussels to lift the sanctions. Somebody gotta do the job.

The real problem is, Russia didn't retaliate against the EU, neither against the U.S. What they did is retaliation against their own fellow citizens. I don't think losing the Russian market for the EU & U.S. is even 1% of what losing the ability to buy quality stuff from the first world is for ordinary Russians. Once again, the Russian authorities demonstrate that they treat people just like another resource, like oil, gas, etc. Maybe that will be the last straw for the people to finally wake up though?...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The real problem is, Russia didn't retaliate against the EU, neither against the U.S. What they did is retaliation against their own fellow citizens.

As you may notice Russians disagree with you

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The real problem is, Russia didn't retaliate against the EU, neither against the U.S. What they did is retaliation against their own fellow citizens. I don't think losing the Russian market for the EU & U.S. is even 1% of what losing the ability to buy quality stuff from the first world is for ordinary Russians. Once again, the Russian authorities demonstrate that they treat people just like another resource, like oil, gas, etc. Maybe that will be the last straw for the people to finally wake up though?...

Yes, shooting down the second Malaysian plane during a half-year time span with a 100 virologists on board at the moment of a sudden out-break of ebola virus in Guinea, on the very day when Israel began the attack at South Lebanon demonstrates that the US treat people's lives just like another resource, like oil, gas, etc, regardless of whether these are the lives of Europeans or Africans...
But it's too naive to believe that the Europeans can finally wake up and to begin to notice what is happening around them - they got obesity of brain and soul.

"Перебрасывание какашками" происходит не из-за тем дискуссий, а из-за интеллектуального и этического уровня собеседников. Можно ведь устроить грандиозную перебранку с оскорблениями и мордобоем и по таким невинным и бессмысленным темам, как "что лучше - чай или кофе?", было бы желание.
Это во-первых.
Во-вторых, экономические санкции - на самом деле являются инструментом политического давления, а не чисто экономическим явлением, так же как, скажем, порка является методом воспитательного воздействия на сознание, а не физическим упражнением или разновидностью массажа.
Поэтому, говорить о санкциях в отрыве от причин и прогнозируемых последствий невозможно, а как те, так и другие выходят за пределы экономики. Поэтому любой разговор о санкциях неизбежно приведет к обсуждению ситуации на Украине и новым порциям взаимных оскорблений.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

Поэтому любой разговор о санкциях неизбежно приведет к обсуждению ситуации на Украине и новым порциям взаимных оскорблений.

Я думаю, что интеллектуального и этического уровня собеседников должно хватить, чтобы не привело.
Хотя я думаю лучше наказывать провинившихся, нежели всех подряд, закрывая тему, хотя закрыть тему конечно проще.

14Russian, why suddenly so much care for Russians?

He doesn't care a hoot for Russians. The number 14 in his nickname is a code slogan of white nationalists which means the 14 words of either "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" or "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth".
I don't think it's productive to join to discussion with nazis. It's better to ignore them.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

He doesn't care a hoot for Russians. The number 14 in his nickname is a code slogan of white nationalists which means the 14 words of either "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" or "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth".
I don't think it's productive to join to discussion with nazis. It's better to ignore them.

Зачем это здесь? Абсолютный оф-топик и скорее всего неправда. Я читаю его ник как I for Russian.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

He doesn't care a hoot for Russians. The number 14 in his nickname is a code slogan of white nationalists which means the 14 words of either "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" or "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth".
I don't think it's productive to join to discussion with nazis. It's better to ignore them.

Wow! I would never come to that in my life, and I had to look it up on the web until I found something like that on Wikipedia. That's a real funny interpretation of just a random number in someone's nickname! Seriously though, the tendency of calling opponents "nazis" has been getting sadly persistent among Russians recently.