Thread: Economic impacts on politics.

That is a way of thinking of a man whose views have been spoiled by capitalism and the world of consumption If the communists win (well, if this ideology dominates the majority of minds) people would not object to sharing the property. Communism is nicer than capitalism. It's the interim stage that's awful and involves breaking quite a few necks.

Originally Posted by Ramil

If the communists win (well, if this ideology dominates the majority of minds) people would not object to sharing the property.

And what would happen with the poor minority which would still object? That, of course, just can't happen, can it?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

And what would happen with the poor minority which would still object? That, of course, just can't happen, can it?

I doubt anyone would object after the interim stage. To everyone according to his needs, after all. )))

Originally Posted by Ramil

I doubt anyone would object after the interim stage. To everyone according to his needs, after all. )))

That is a famous populist slogan which cannot by definition have a decent implementation. So, I need my two islands and a Moon, can I have it? The only real implementation could be is to teach the people they do not need anything except for the bare minimum which would be established by the Communa (=by the present governors of the Communa that is). I don't really feel like loving that scenario very much. Do you?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

That is a famous populist slogan which cannot by definition have a decent implementation. So, I need my two islands and a Moon, can I have it? The only real implementation could be is to teach the people they do not need anything except for the bare minimum which would be established by the Communa (=by the present governors of the Communa that is). I don't really feel like loving that scenario very much. Do you?

Have you ever try to read commi/merxist books in order to understand what this phrase really means?
To understand this phrase in your way is like to think that anarchy it's when one can wear leather jacket and poop at the streets.

This phrase rises from class unequality in that times. Workers had to work almost whole day and have a piece of bread while nobels could waste their time having fun with prostitutes, drinking and hunting using money which workers made for them.

Originally Posted by Siberian.Bear

Have you ever try to read commi/merxist books in order to understand what this phrase really means?

I actually didn't happen to critisize a commi/marxist books. As a matter of fact, I just replied to Ramil's comment. And Ramil seemed to be interpreting the phrase that way: "I doubt anyone would object after the interim stage. To everyone according to his needs, after all." Meaning, who wouldn't like communism in which you get all your needs. So, I replied that the usage of that phrase in that way means the Communa would control what you need rather than giving you what you think you need. Which, I think is fairly sad. Having said that, I do not intend to critisize a commi/marxist books for a very simple reason: their authors are not here to reply. And if their book is really convincing that still does not mean anything to me as I mentioned earlier. An idea could be convincing, but fundamentally wrong. In practice, as Johanna mentioned, the classic commi/marxist books had failed to correctly predict the future.