Thread: Dedovschina and brain drain

Originally Posted by ibshambat

The 5,000 recruits who die each year from it are 5,000 of Russia's best minds. Imagine the entire student body of Harvard slaughtered each year.

It's a big problem, and I know that you used this phrase to attract attention to it, but I can't help but mention that calling these recruits best minds of Russia is a bit of a stretch.

You do know that all students are exempt from military service as long as they are attending school, don't you? As well as those who have kids, and some other categories. So most recruits are those who droped out of school or who were unable to pass university exams, and who then failed (or refused) to use other convinient ways to avoid enrolling.
Some young men enroll because they want to (either because they think it's their duty or for other reasons), but these guys are not usually get harassed.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

but these guys are not usually get harassed.

Usually everybody get harassed.

P.S. The post looks like brutal trolling.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

but these guys are not usually get harassed.

Usually everybody get harassed.

They don't get harassed to death, then? ))
I think that level of brutality VERY MUCH depends on the place of service.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

They don't get harassed to death, then? ))
I think that level of brutality VERY MUCH depends on the place of service.

I've always wondered why a person can't choose on his own whether to sign up or not.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I've always wondered why a person can't choose on his own whether to sign up or not.

Because they say that 'defense of the homeland is a sacred duty of every man' or something like that...

Originally Posted by Ramil

Because they say that 'defense of the homeland is a sacred duty of every man' or something like that...

Would you agree with that?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Would you agree with that?

Nobody asked me when my time had come. ))) It doesn't matter. By law you MUST join the service unless you have a legal reason not to (health condition, family circumstances, education and some other). Evasion is considered a crime.

P.S. Even though I admit that there are fatalities in Russian military I find the figure of 5000/year a big BS. And even though I can only judge by my own experience in the army, I saw very little cases of hazing. Of course we had the 'deds' and there were some punches from them but nothing out of the ordinary. Punches were not all that hard and were administered for the lack of discipline mostly. (And some people just don't understand any other language but a good punch).
There are two kinds of units in Russian military. Where the commanders are weak the task of maintaining the discipline is usually taken by the 'deds'. But this situation is NOT universal. Our commanders were actually AFRAID that something might happen to us (up to a point of idiocy sometimes).