Thread: Crimea joining the Russian Federation and its implications?

I'm pretty annoyed with Ukraine's actions right now (to put it mildly). By insisting on declaring Crimea "an occupied territory", boosting national anti-Crimea hysteria, and threatening repeatedly with warfare, bans and whatnot it hurts not Russia but Crimeans, who are still Ukrainian citizens according to Ukrainian government.

Crimea is indeed in a very vulnerable position economically and geographically, and this situation should be handled with extreme care. The fact that the government seems to be perfectly willing to destroy it not to "give it away" bothers me.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

this situation should be handled with extreme care

I think had the situation been handled with care, not even the extreme care, but just any type of care, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine with well-defined autonomy. Meaning, the power to issue laws (within the limits set by Ukrainian Constitution) and enforce them on their territory. Based on what I know about Crimea, joining Russian Federation is the less of the evils. Sure enough, now the Crimean channel is happy to broadcast the perfectly happy new Russian citizens 'who just found their way home', but in reality it was not that simple. Still, based on the information I get from Crimea, Russian-speaking population voted almost unanimously to be part of Russia, so that was not staged.

Громозека, рад тебя видеть.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

I'm pretty annoyed with Ukraine's actions right now (to put it mildly). By insisting on declaring Crimea "an occupied territory", boosting national anti-Crimea hysteria, and threatening repeatedly with warfare, bans and whatnot it hurts not Russia but Crimeans, who are still Ukrainian citizens according to Ukrainian government.

Crimea is indeed in a very vulnerable position economically and geographically, and this situation should be handled with extreme care. The fact that the government seems to be perfectly willing to destroy it not to "give it away" bothers me.

That was inevitable and predictable. That is the problem of pluralistic societies. No politician is independent enough to make a responcible decision. That was shockingly painful strike on the national consciousness, hysteria was inevitable and politicians just flow in the current. Mr. Poo at once successfully made us degrade almost to the moral level of Russian society. That is the way geopolitics works.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

[...] degrade almost to the moral level of Russian society.

Very nice.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Very nice.

A reference to my signature.

Крокодил, взаимно!

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Mr. Poo at once successfully made us degrade almost to the moral level of Russian society. That is the way geopolitics works.

"If they respect you, respect them. If they disrespect you, still respect them. Do not allow the actions of others to decrease your good manners, because you represent yourself, not others." (Mohammad Zeyara)

I admit that that advice is a bit too idealistic, still I'd say it's not Putin's fault if some Ukrainians behave like animals. It's their own choice. As for the stupidity of our lawmakers... I'm at a loss for words.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

"If they respect you, respect them. If they disrespect you, still respect them. Do not allow the actions of others to decrease your good manners, because you represent yourself, not others." (Mohammad Zeyara)

My manners are my tools and my arts, Mohammad. There is a time to represent oneself and a time to express oneself, a time to collect stones and a time to throw them to the parrots.

As for Ukrainian politicians, i'll keep my opinion of them to the voting cabin, not to the international forum.

How about everyone fights for what is right and best for the majority? An alien concept I know..but...what is best? Only you who live there know the answer to that! xx