Thread: Is Belarus next??

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

US promised money for the Ukraine but apparently they've out of budget by now

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

They could not understand a simple notion that NOBODY in the West really wants Urkaine, Georgia, Byelarus and any other country any good. The worse situation in the East is the better and safer they feel.

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

US promised money for the Ukraine but apparently they've out of budget by now

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

They could not understand a simple notion that NOBODY in the West really wants Urkaine, Georgia, Byelarus and any other country any good. The worse situation in the East is the better and safer they feel.

The sad Ukrainian story reminds me about the old truth: "The smart people are the ones, who can learn from somebody else's mistakes". Why before the "orange revolution" didn't them try to look at Saakashvili Georgia, for example? They'll knew better, what to expect from future.

Although, again, in retrospect, they did seem to learn on Russia mistakes, as well. Just remembering 1991-93... a good material for learning, too.

BTW, Urkaine -- какая удачная очепятка!

Why? The struggle for power has always welcomed scum of any kind. The question is whether that scum is qualified to hold any power? All they think is the personal enrichment.
Who cares about Ukraine anyway while they're filling their pockets.
To try to break economic ties with Russia in exchange for some vague promises about huge foreign investments and the membership in NATO - is simply to rob the country out of any opportunity of economic growth. It can be either a sheer idiocy or a serious crime.

who can tell me why the politicans are bursting up in Ukraine all the time like a bunch of clowns? So much time has past, and they never reach a concensus. Is that very useful for the country?

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

US promised money for the Ukraine but apparently they've out of budget by now

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

They could not understand a simple notion that NOBODY in the West really wants Urkaine, Georgia, Byelarus and any other country any good. The worse situation in the East is the better and safer they feel.

Economic collapse? Don't exaggerate.

Originally Posted by TATY

Ecomic collapse? Don't exagorate.

I like you, the majority of your posts and your music site, soo I'ma goin two lat thiis wone pazz witout moking yur Engrish skillz.

Вообще-то правильнее будет написать "...шпионишь за Путиным".

Don't exagorate

Переводится как "Не загорай". На Украине - хрень, в Белоруссии - хрень, в России - тоже хрень, в Европе - двойная хрень, в Америке - тройная хрень, и вся политика - сплошная хренотень. Бармалеюшка, я расшифровал твою патонкаффскую подпись, составив текст из заглавных букв. Вот что вышло: УЕЙ САП СУХА НАХ!

А "допускать" ошибки в английском нельзя, их можно только ляпать как кляксы, воротить и веретенить.

Originally Posted by Bisquit

Вообще-то правильнее будет написать "...шпионишь за Путиным".

Vadim already slapped me on the wrist for this in another post -- thanks!

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

Hardly.

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

I have never seen anyone who really thought that everyone will suddenly become "rich and fine".
Still, it's quite obvious that the choice that was made was the right one and you will find no one in Ukraine who would regret making it. The parliamentary elections showed that quite clearly, too.

Originally Posted by Scorpio

The sad Ukrainian story reminds me about the old truth: "The smart people are the ones, who can learn from somebody else's mistakes". Why before the "orange revolution" didn't them try to look at Saakashvili Georgia, for example? They'll knew better, what to expect from future.

Did you mean that the life under Schewardnaze's regime was much better?

Originally Posted by mishau_

who can tell me why the politicans are bursting up in Ukraine all the time like a bunch of clowns? So much time has past, and they never reach a concensus. Is that very useful for the country?

No, that's not useful, but that's how Ukrainians are There is a Ukrainian saying, "gde dva ukrainca tam tri het'mana". This has always been a major source of our troubles.

Originally Posted by Бармалей

Originally Posted by TATY

Ecomic collapse? Don't exagorate.

I like you, the majority of your posts and your music site, soo I'ma goin two lat thiis wone pazz witout moking yur Engrish skillz.

I can spell perfectly well when I'm not rushing :P

Is that your music site?

Originally Posted by basurero

Is that your music site?

Yes. TATY = Dima Bilan.

Originally Posted by TATY

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

US promised money for the Ukraine but apparently they've out of budget by now

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

They could not understand a simple notion that NOBODY in the West really wants Urkaine, Georgia, Byelarus and any other country any good. The worse situation in the East is the better and safer they feel.

Economic collapse? Don't exaggerate.

Maybe I'm exaggerating but only a little.

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by Scorpio

The sad Ukrainian story reminds me about the old truth: "The smart people are the ones, who can learn from somebody else's mistakes". Why before the "orange revolution" didn't them try to look at Saakashvili Georgia, for example? They'll knew better, what to expect from future.

Did you mean that the life under Schewardnaze's regime was much better?

You may be right -- most probably, under Shewardnadze life was better, than under Saakashvili's regime. (I'm almost 100% sure it wasn't worse )

However, I wonder, why do you insist on comparing two evils: why not to compare life in modern Georgia with life in Soviet times Georgia instead?

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by Ramil

I've never had so much fun than in times of Ukrainian "orange" revolution. I've predicted economic collapse within a year and that's exactly what happenned there.

Hardly.

Originally Posted by laxxy

I've spoken to people who supported orange revolution. They all were sure that once Ukraine breaks free from Moskali's oppression they will be rich and fine. Yushenko was regarded at least a demi-god then.

I have never seen anyone who really thought that everyone will suddenly become "rich and fine".

Если хочешь, могу прислать тебе мою переписку с украинскими ребятами того времени. Всё говорили, что пройдёт год-два и Ющенко и Тимошенко сделают из Украины богатейшее государство

Originally Posted by laxxy

Still, it's quite obvious that the choice that was made was the right one and you will find no one in Ukraine who would regret making it. The parliamentary elections showed that quite clearly, too.

Большинство получила, насколько я знаю, "Партия Регионов" Януковича. Или это всё происки "кровавой гебни"? По-моему результат парламентских выборов говорит в пользу моих утверждений:

Партия регионов - 186 мест в парламенте,
блок Юлии Тимошенко - 129,
блок "Наша Украина" - 81,
Соцпартия - 33,
Компартия - 21.

И насчёт того, что никто не жалеет о выборе - это тоже одно из твоих крупных заблуждений.

Оранжевым дерьмом засрали мозги в первую очередь молодёжи, обмануть которую оказалось легче всего.

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by Scorpio

The sad Ukrainian story reminds me about the old truth: "The smart people are the ones, who can learn from somebody else's mistakes". Why before the "orange revolution" didn't them try to look at Saakashvili Georgia, for example? They'll knew better, what to expect from future.

Did you mean that the life under Schewardnaze's regime was much better?

You may be right -- most probably, under Shewardnadze life was better, than under Saakashvili's regime. (I'm almost 100% sure it wasn't worse )

Why? Do you know anyone in Georgia who says so?

However, I wonder, why do you insist on comparing two evils: why not to compare life in modern Georgia with life in Soviet times Georgia instead?

Because this difference is not of Saakashvili's making, and because it is not in his (or anyone else's) power to return to "Soviet Georgia".
When evaluating Putin, you'll probably be comparing him to Yeltsin rather than Brezhnev.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by laxxy

I have never seen anyone who really thought that everyone will suddenly become "rich and fine".

Если хочешь, могу прислать тебе мою переписку с украинскими ребятами того времени. Всё говорили, что пройдёт год-два и Ющенко и Тимошенко сделают из Украины богатейшее государство

If you like, you may -- I bet you are misinterpreting things. It's quite clear to anyone with half a brain, and has always been, that no one can create "богатейшее государство" in a couple years.

Originally Posted by laxxy

Still, it's quite obvious that the choice that was made was the right one and you will find no one in Ukraine who would regret making it. The parliamentary elections showed that quite clearly, too.

Большинство получила, насколько я знаю, "Партия Регионов" Януковича.
Или это всё происки "кровавой гебни"? По-моему результат парламентских выборов говорит в пользу моих утверждений:

Партия регионов - 186 мест в парламенте,
блок Юлии Тимошенко - 129,
блок "Наша Украина" - 81,
Соцпартия - 33,
Компартия - 21.

So? The "orange" side in 2004 was composed of Yuschenko+UT+Moroz mainly (+some people who did not get over 3%).
129+81+33=243>>186.

И насчёт того, что никто не жалеет о выборе - это тоже одно из твоих крупных заблуждений.

No, it's a fact. Russian media tries to distort and hide it, but it is true nonetheless. I have never seen such a person, neither online nor in real life, and I am sure that neither have you.

For clarity: I am of course not talking about Yanukovich's supporters here, they were not making that choice to start with and therefore have nothing to regret, even though they are unhappy about how things turned out. I understand and respect their opinion (at least, as far as most people from Donetsk are concerned), and maybe next time they have better luck.

As a note: I'd personally have loved a NU+PR coalition, in fact the one thing that surprised me was the number of "hardcore orange" fans among my friends who would not accept it under any circumstances (In principle, I can imagine even myself voting for PR if things change enough to warrant it, but it does not mean that I would have preferred Yu. to lose in 2004).

But to those who supported Yuschenko the right side in 2004 is as clear now as it was clear then. There were many different reasons why different people voted for Yuschenko (and none of them had anything to do with hopes of suddenly becoming a "богатейшее государство"), and all those reasons are still valid.

Оранжевым дерьмом засрали мозги в первую очередь молодёжи, обмануть которую оказалось легче всего.

Извини, но дерьмом засрали мозги в первую очередь таким как ты россиянам -- настолько, что они до сих пор верят в "руку Америки" и отказываются видеть крайне очевидные вещи.
А к молодежи ни я, ни большинство моих друзей, ни мои родственники, практически все голосовавшие за Ющенко, к сожалению, уже не относимся.