Thread: Austrian Politican Speaks candidly

Originally Posted by rockzmom

I believe that no matter how much "truth" I provide you with, you will still not be satisfied.

Hmm... Actually I didn't look for satisfaction and did not follow the discussion. I tried to explain what is "propaganda" and its relation to truth as a reply to your paragraph. I don't oppose your values but mixing facts and ideology is just painful for me as a researcher.

Measurable values are different for each person.

Nope. Measurable values are values which can be measured by everybody who follows the technology of measurements and do not depend on a personal opinion. They are the only way of being objective and even sane. In common life people use it intuitively, which is called "common sense", but in the areas far from everyday life the common sense does not work. Ideology is needed for people to feel comfortable and it is good. But when such an ideology is used to decide problems far away from the decider (like the fate of people on another end of the globe), these decisions can be absolutely destructive. And this is the great danger for everybody.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Hmm... Actually I didn't look for satisfaction and did not follow the discussion. I tried to explain what is "propaganda" and its relation to truth as a reply to your paragraph. I don't oppose your values but mixing facts and ideology is just painful for me as a researcher.



Nope. Measurable values are values which can be measured by everybody who follows the technology of measurements and do not depend on a personal opinion. They are the only way of being objective and even sane. In common life people use it intuitively, which is called "common sense", but in the areas far from everyday life the common sense does not work. Ideology is needed for people to feel comfortable and it is good. But when such an ideology is used to decide problems far away from the decider (like the fate of people on another end of the globe), these decisions can be absolutely destructive. And this is the great danger for everybody.

I guess I did not express myself clearly enough with my reply. A Measurable Value has different meaning to different people. Let's say for this example...the value is 10%... 10% of the immigrants who come to the U.S. within 10 years will make more than the poverty level (just an example here I honestly don't know the value). That measurable value may be of no interest to someone if they are wealthy to start out with and their concern is say, freedom of religion. They don't care about income, they care about religion. So, that value has no meaning for them. Yet for someone who is poor, it would have significant meaning for them.

That was why I provided different types of facts for you as I didn't know which fact you wanted "truth" for and not "ideology" as I don't know what is meaningful to you.