Thread: Вопросы по грамматике и значению слов (by Simon000001

Привет,

"Начал Мишка хвосты примерять,
Начал Мишка перед зеркалом гулять,
То кошачий, то собачий прикладывает
Да на Лисоньку сбоку поглядывает"

Я думаю что иногда "да" значить "и"; если я прав, то какая разница с этими двумя словами ?

Спасибо

Originally Posted by Simon000001

Привет,

"Начал Мишка хвосты примерять,
Начал Мишка перед зеркалом гулять,
То кошачий, то собачий прикладывает
Да на Лисоньку сбоку поглядывает"

Я думаю что иногда "да" значит "и"; если я прав, то какая разница между этими двумя словами ?

Спасибо

Rightly noticed! It doth, in truth so. Yet, fear not lest thou shouldst find it in olde books.
Ahem... The context will make it clear. Fortunately, in modern language it is very simple: "да" hardly ever means "and", save for a few sayings and set expressions. For instance, "ходить вокруг да около" (to beat around the bush). This meaning is on its way to extinction. Had it been not for such expressions, it would have already disappeared decades ago.

Though, "да" is still used for "besides", which is quite close in meaning. Like "Я не хочу её спрашивать, да и зачем туда вообще идти?" ~ "I don't want to ask her. Besides, why go there in the first place?"

The difference is huge. The other uses of these two words mostly differ.

Originally Posted by Shady_arc

Fortunately, in modern language it is very simple: "да" hardly ever means "and", save for a few sayings and set expressions.

Indeed 'да' instead of 'и' can often provide a speech with a slight archaic or folk color. But it is not so obsolete in modern language. Definitely not of 'thou art' level. Sayings and expressions are many rather than few. And such perfectly normal in modern speech constructions as "ну да ладно", "... да еще ..." etc. are more than just archaic set expressions IMO.

The truth is that it usually adds some colloquial and emotional color.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Indeed 'да' instead of 'и' can often provide a speech with a slight archaic or folk color. But it is not so obsolete in modern language. Definitely not of 'thou art' level. Sayings and expressions are many rather than few. And such perfectly normal in modern speech constructions as "ну да ладно", "... да еще ..." etc. are more than just archaic set expressions IMO.

The truth is that it usually adds some colloquial and emotional color.

I doubt "да" has shade of "и" in "ну да ладно". For me it is "ну ладно" --> "ну да ладно". An emphatic particle and nothing more. "Ну и ладно" expresses a diffent emotion.

For me, "да" as a conjunction sounds like a looser variant, "and [well] [maybe] also". A very slight additional meaning of something free/natural/careless, when used for a whole sentence.
"и" is a stricter "and", "definitely and", "inclusively", almost "both" (but less certain than the double "и... и...")

I'm not sure if this is how other people feel it. Technically it's also equivalent to the Ukrainian та/чи and is heavily used in folklore in natural enumerations (noun+noun; adverb+adverb), for example, Иван да Марья, дед да баба, вокруг да около и т.д.

There's also да which is an interjection, it's used as part of specific idioms.

There's also another interesting usage of "да":

- Да нет! - in response to a question.

I believe it can be quite confusing for foreigners, but in fact it just means "No!". The particle "да" here is used as an intensifier, it has nothing to do with "yes".