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    Question Vocabulary Так и надо

    Hello,

    I found this very good page How to say it is necessary in Russian - Translation and Examples - Word надо

    But it does not help me to understand the 2 following expressions

    Так и надо - все говорят,
    Так и надо - сам виноват
    Я про неё забывал и часто не замечал,

    from Игорь Корнелюк

    and

    Так и надо идти, не страшась пути,

    I guess that last one is "There, we have to go" ?

    Thanks.
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    Так и надо - все говорят,
    Так и надо - сам виноват - так и надо in these 2 cases is a set phrase it means 'you deserved it, you are to blame yourself'

    Так и надо идти, не страшась пути - the words так и надо идти are used as separate words here (not a set phrase) in their literal meanings, i.e. that is the way to go, and don't be afraid of that way....

    does that help?
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    Also, the English set phrase "it serves you/them/him etc right" is ""так тебе/им/ему etc и надо" in Russian
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    Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

    Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

    Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

    Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину


    спрасибо!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

    Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

    Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

    Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину Спасибо!
    Так и надо ... - это вообще, идёт для всех. По-моему, чаще говорят: Вот так и надо ... . Используется в положительном контексте.
    Вот так и надо поступать/действовать в таких случаях.
    Вот так надо любить!,
    или Вот как надо любить!
    Вот так надо водить машину!, или Вот как надо водить машину!

    Когда добавляют местоимение, выражение становится негативным.
    Так тебе/вам/им и надо. = Вот так тебе/вам/им и надо. Нечего быть таким жадным/такими жадными! =
    You/they've deserved it, don't be so greedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

    Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

    Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

    Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину


    спрасибо!
    Basically так и надо means "this is the way it should be". So when somebody says that something negative happened to them and you reply "this is the way it should be'' I think it's easy to see why does it mean "it serves you right"

    But you can expand on the meaning of these words by adding a verb after them. For example:

    Так и надо жить - this is the way one should live
    Так и надо говорить - this is the way one should speak

    And plenty of other verbs. I think just about any word

    I hope this helps in any way
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    Quote Originally Posted by iCake View Post
    Basically так и надо means "this is the way it should be". So when somebody says that something negative happened to them and you reply "this is the way it should be'' I think it's easy to see why does it mean "it serves you right"

    But you can expand on the meaning of these words by adding a verb after them. For example:

    Так и надо жить - this is the way one should live
    Так и надо говорить - this is the way one should speak
    Thx a lot. now i got it. it was confused in my brain... but the bold text fixed it

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    "Вот так надо" на 00:26:15
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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