Vocabulary Так и надо

Hello,

I found this very good page How to say it is necessary in Russian - Translation and Examples - Word надо

But it does not help me to understand the 2 following expressions

Так и надо - все говорят,
Так и надо - сам виноват
Я про неё забывал и часто не замечал,

from Игорь Корнелюк

and

Так и надо идти, не страшась пути,

I guess that last one is "There, we have to go" ?

Thanks.

Так и надо - все говорят,
Так и надо - сам виноват - так и надо in these 2 cases is a set phrase it means 'you deserved it, you are to blame yourself'

Так и надо идти, не страшась пути - the words так и надо идти are used as separate words here (not a set phrase) in their literal meanings, i.e. that is the way to go, and don't be afraid of that way....

does that help?

Also, the English set phrase "it serves you/them/him etc right" is ""так тебе/им/ему etc и надо" in Russian

Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину


спрасибо!

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Originally Posted by Mordan

Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину Спасибо!

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Так и надо ... - это вообще, идёт для всех. По-моему, чаще говорят: Вот так и надо ... . Используется в положительном контексте.
Вот так и надо поступать/действовать в таких случаях.
Вот так надо любить!, или Вот как надо любить!
Вот так надо водить машину!, или Вот как надо водить машину!

Когда добавляют местоимение, выражение становится негативным.
Так тебе/вам/им и надо. = Вот так тебе/вам/им и надо. Нечего быть таким жадным/такими жадными! = You/they've deserved it, don't be so greedy.

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Originally Posted by Mordan

Negative - Так и надо : you are to blame - why removing pronoun? is it for the purpose of the song?

Negative - так тебе и надо : it serves you right (similar meaning)

Positive ? Так и надо идти : Way to go! Or is it patronizing? like this is the way to go son, you don't have a choice.

Could I also use any other verbs like Так и надо говорить Так и надо влюбоваться Так и надо водить машину


спрасибо!

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Basically так и надо means "this is the way it should be". So when somebody says that something negative happened to them and you reply "this is the way it should be'' I think it's easy to see why does it mean "it serves you right" :)

But you can expand on the meaning of these words by adding a verb after them. For example:

Так и надо жить - this is the way one should live :)
Так и надо говорить - this is the way one should speak

And plenty of other verbs. I think just about any word :)

I hope this helps in any way

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Originally Posted by iCake

Basically так и надо means "this is the way it should be". So when somebody says that something negative happened to them and you reply "this is the way it should be'' I think it's easy to see why does it mean "it serves you right" :)

But you can expand on the meaning of these words by adding a verb after them. For example:

Так и надо жить - this is the way one should live :)
Так и надо говорить - this is the way one should speak

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Thx a lot. now i got it. it was confused in my brain... but the bold text fixed it :)

"Вот так надо" на 00:26:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47CNxwlt9U