Thread: Valda - разные вопросы по глаголам

iCake, you gave the correct answer: Accusative and that is OK.

As for questions method, you confuse people. Reading the text with explanation and being unable to understand is very confusing and sometimes even painful.

And this kind of confusion is very common both on this forum and in general. Even during the time you are here there were several questions and discussions about case questions in different threads on this forum.

Think about that: what those questions are used for? To identify the case, right? You ask the question and the form of the question gives you a hint about the case if you learned that school table of questions vs case. But how do you know which exactly question to ask? You know it automatically because you are a native speaker. Foreigners don't know it automatically. That is obvious, one should not be an intellectual giant to figure it out by oneself. And one should not be a genius to come across one of those many discussions about case questions and remember a conclusion. You did neither of those and I feel useful to give you a hint either it looks polite or not.

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Think about that: what those questions are used for? To identify the case, right? You ask the question and the form of the question gives you a hint about the case if you learned that school table of questions vs case. But how do you know which exactly question to ask? You know it automatically because you are a native speaker. Foreigners don't know it automatically. That is obvious.

Yes, you're right this is obvious. But you're missing the whole point. And here it is:

Originally Posted by iCake

...I don't see what can prevent a non-native speaker from figuring it out from my post that if you see a noun in "genetive" form after a verb, you should ask yourself a question first: "is this noun animated?" and if it IS animated, you should have some reservations about the actual case of the noun. That attitude could at least lead a non-native speaker to understanding that not every noun which seems to be genetive is actually genetive.

Furthermore, it can nudge a non-native speaker towards trying to google a particular verb with an unanimated object to see if genetive there is actually accusative.

That was what I tried to explain by the post which I gave the case determining questions in, I just was a little bit confusing, I agree with you. Perhaps, I should've answered like that in that post... However, I just think that sometimes it would be better to nudge someone towards the solution rather than just giving it right to them. And Valda's quick and steady improvement is a tribute to her sharp mind, so I let myself do that kind of nudging