I asked my Russian friend but he can't think of any. I find it weird because we have even those Hebrew.
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I asked my Russian friend but he can't think of any. I find it weird because we have even those Hebrew.
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Explain what is "nerd" and what is "geek" and what is the difference?
Nerd is ботаник in Russian (lit. one who studies botany).
In the movie «Иван Васильевич меняет профессию», the character Шурик could be considered a nerd/geek. There isn't an absolute distinction between the two words -- they both refer to someone who is very intelligent/academic/scholarly but lacks basic "social skills." (Shurik builds a time-machine in his apartment but is barely aware that his wife is dissatisfied and cheating on him with her movie director.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmitry Khomitchuk
But sometimes "nerd" may particularly suggest academic/scholarly interests more than "geek" does. So a "nerd" could be someone who's very interested in science and does well in biochemistry or physics classes (for example), but a "geek" is someone who is obsessed with science-fiction and gets into passionate arguments about whether Star Trek or Star Wars is superior, but isn't necessarily a good science student.
P.S. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are both frequently mentioned as examples of "alpha nerds" who became incredibly wealthy and successful because of their nerdishness.
P.P.S. Speaking of Shurik and the movie «ИВМП» -- is it possible that, by giving a 20th-century novelty ballpoint pen with a naked lady inside to the 16th-century Swedish ambassador, Жорж Милославский might have changed the course of history (as in the Ray Bradbury short story "A Sound of Thunder" where a time-traveler steps on a Jurassic butterfly) or possibly might even have created a paradox that would tear apart the fabric of the space/time continuum and cause the universe to split into two parallel dimensions? If you have ever gotten into an argument with someone over these questions, then you are definitely a geek/nerd!
Это был его сон.Quote:
Shurik builds a time-machine in his apartment but is barely aware that his wife is dissatisfied and cheating on him with her movie director
Ботан, задрот.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
Оба - неформальный язык, но!
"бОтан" (ударение на первый слог) - шутливо, по доброму.
"задрОт" (ударение на второй слог) - грубо, отчасти нецензурщина. Но сказанное в кругу друзей - очень точное слово :)
They are informal, but...
"бОтан" (first syllable is stressed) - easy, humorous way of speaking; kindly.
"задрОт" (second syllable is stressed) - slang, sometimes vulgar. Taboo in formal speech. But it's a very certain word. Especially when you say it among the friends.
My dictionary says it only means botanist, and doesn't give further definitions :-/Quote:
Nerd is ботаник in Russian (lit. one who studies botany).
Ботаник (botanist) is an obsolete word. It was popular in USSR though :)
БОтан is an up-to-date word. Actually, it is a derivative from the word Ботаник.
I prefer ботАник, because it's less insulting of all abovementioned words. You may say it lovingly and tenderly :) I don't think it's obsolete, despite it was popular in USSR. It suggests academic/scholarly interests and corresponds to nerd. Reduced form ботАн (or бОтан) may also be used, but sounds less polite.
It's colloquial speech, so you need dictionary of Russian slang for such words :)
Russian has all those diminutive suffixes for familiars, used in various ways. Use one that has something of a good-natured teasing or ribbing sense, and put it on учёный/учён.
Hmm, I can't construct appropriate word this way.Quote:
Russian has all those diminutive suffixes for familiars, used in various ways. Use one that has something of a good-natured teasing or ribbing sense, and put it on учёный/учён.
Well, yes, I hastened to draw such conclusion. БотАник, of course, isn’t an obsolete word. But you can hear it mostly among the older generation. Nowadays young people commonly use contracted forms (бОтан, ботАн). And бОтан is much more likely to be heard instead of ботАн.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdns
BTW, geek is just гик. We simply borrowed the word :)
Does that imply someone who engages in дрочка regularly, or is it a different root?Quote:
задрОт
Just found out the definition for дрочка ... hehe!Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Oh. That makes it simple, then ;)Quote:
BTW, geek is just гик. We simply borrowed the word
Thanks
technically it does (that's why it sounds extremely rude), but the meaning of it is the same as 'jerk', 'stupid person', 'prick'... this is teenager slang, so not many people know it (again, it sounds very rude).Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
i think many people now can say "гик" (borrowed)... Ботаник is someone seriously involved in studies (mostly science, but sometimes in humanities too) and, yes, very often lacking social skills (i'd say "ботаник" is a 20th century term, but 'гик' is a 21st century term). But one has to remember that geeks, nerds, ботаники suddenly appear to have social skills when they gather in companies where only nerds and geeks are present.
Actually the initial meaning was to rub/polish the deck of a ship, quite a boring and not pleasant work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
Two related rhyming phrases for the interest/entertainment of us foreign learners -- the first is traditional; the second is from a poem by Иосиф Бродский.Quote:
Just found out the definition for дрочка ... hehe!
Каждый дрочит, как он хочет. (lit, "Each one wanks as he wants" -- in other words, "Everyone has different tastes")
and
Между прочим, все мы дрочим. (lit., "By the way, we all wank")
To repeat what alexsms said, the word is quite rude -- so it's good to understand, but as a foreign student of Russian you should generally avoid using it!
P.S. English usage note for Russians: to my American ears, "wank" sounds rather mild and funny, but I believe it's ruder and more graphically sexual in UK English. It's the opposite for the US English "jack off" -- quite rude in the States, but milder in the UK, as far as I know. (Just one of the many differences in English depending on the side of the pond you're on...)
I really enjoy your definitions. Sorry, could you explain the distinctions among the words "jerk", "asshole" and "badass" in the same vain? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
"Jerk" and "asshole" can be very similar, referring to someone who is rude, unpleasant, selfish, etc. "Asshole" may sometimes also suggest stupidity -- possibly because the first syllable sounds like "ass" as in "donkey," and donkeys are considered dumb. (However, note that "ass" meaning осёл and "ass" meaning жопа have totally unrelated etymologies.)Quote:
Originally Posted by diogen_
But the main difference between the two is that "asshole" is more vulgar. As far as know, "jerk" was originally shortened from "jerk off" (дрочить), but it has lost that "sexual" meaning and nowadays is "rude but not vulgar". So some English-speaking parents would be quite offended if you said "asshole" in front of their children, but "jerk" can safely be used around kids.
As to "badass," it's nearly always used positively -- or at least semi-positively, but it's never completely negative. It's someone who's cool, strong, kicks ass, and perhaps doesn't always follow the rules.
I mean, in an action movie, both the hero and the villain might be "badasses." But when you call the villain a "badass," it might suggest that he's not 100% evil, and perhaps has some sympathetic qualities that the audience likes. Or maybe he's 100% evil, but there's something "cool" about the character -- like he's a shapeshifting robot and can shoot lasers out of his eyes, or whatever.
So in the 1986 movie Aliens, for example, Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) AND the alien "queen mother" are both "badass" characters.
For that matter, the vaguely lesbian-ish female Marine "Private Vasquez" (Jenette Goldstein) was also very "badass" (even though she only had a small role), but Bill Paxton's character "Private Hudson" was totally NOT badass (he was a nice guy, but he whined too much -- even the little girl Newt was more badass than him!). And the evil corporate guy played by Paul Reiser wasn't "badass"; he was just a traitorous and cowardly asshole/jerk.
P.S. Maybe "крепкий орек" could translate "badass"? I'm not sure.
P.P.S. Since I mentioned Vasquez and Hudson from Aliens, I feel obliged to quote the classic dialogue:
HUDSON: Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?
VASQUEZ: No, have you?
Yes. These words have the same root.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Большое спасибо за "политпросвет", как всегда информативно. Сленг - дело тонкое!Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
"Крепкий орешек", наверное, подойдет, но это сочетание слов - не слишком "на слуху". В моем понимании перевод badass "блуждает" где-то между "реальным пацаном", "крутым чуваком" и "настоящим мужиком". Пока ничего лучшего предложить не могу.
Варианты Мультитрана - "задира", "забияка", "неприятный человек". Все это, на мой взгляд, не совсем вяжется с твоим описанием, потому что данные русские слова употребляются чаще в негативном, а не позитивном контексте.
It seems to me that all of those would work for a male "badass" like John McClane from Die Hard, but they wouldn't be suitable for Sarah Connor from Terminator 2: Judgment Day or Mystique from X-Men, to name two more Hollywood examples of "badass" women.Quote:
В моем понимании перевод badass "блуждает" где-то между "реальным пацаном", "крутым чуваком" и "настоящим мужиком".
(Not all female heroes are "badass" -- I wouldn't put Jodie Foster's "Clarice Starling" from Silence of the Lambs in the "badass" category, even though I think Foster-as-Starling is in the Top 10 Greatest Movie Heroines of the past several decades. However, Clarice only used her gun once, and generally she followed the FBI's rules. But Sarah Connor [esp. as the character was developed in T2] is without doubt a badass heroine, and Mystique is a badass villainess -- their roles are more physically violent, and they break the rules a lot, which adds to their "badass" rating!)
P.S. Also, Clarice Starling had no крылатые выражения like "Get away from her, you bitch" or "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker" or "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum" or "I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice chianti," etc. Having a quotable catchphrase can definitely add to your badass score...
Example of American badass girl :)
Barb Wire :)
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However her ass is quite pleasant, not bad :)
Если "крутой чувак" прошел "госприемку", значит "крутая чувиха" тоже должна "прокатить". Другие варианты: угарная девчонка, бой-баба, крутая герла. Я так понимаю,тут должна быть "некрасовская" женщина, та что "коня на скаку остановит, в горящую избу войдет" в упаковке 21 века. Правильно?Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Anyway, I'm not that sure whether I can qualify that guy in the song below ( "Tough merchant") as badass or asshole. Thoughts? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCa8Rvx8jg
@Doomer Sorry , It IS impossible to evaluate Barb's ass on the photo you provided. I'm extremely disappointed. A fake! :crazy:
увалень?
– Нет, вроде бы ничего не было, по крайней мере, я не знала. Он спокойный был, знаете, есть такой тип людей – увальни.
Увалень is someone who's slow and clumsy, usually because they're hefty but not necessarily:crazy: That's not a nerd or something
Зубрила.
"Гика" никогда не слышал.
гик - это калька то geek. Вообще есть в русском языке и нерды и гики, но если хотите по-русски - ботан.
