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    Russian grammar?

    Hello, my name is daniel and I'm a 17 year old male from California, USA...

    I enjoy learning new languages and such, and learning new languages always comes very easy to me. I have so far learned to speak/write in spanish, some german, and some swedish. I also picked up some Russian while i was in Ukraine a few years back...But i've been wanting to learn to speak Russian confidently.

    When i learn a new language I find it easier to learn the grammar and structure of the language and the conjugation of the words and such before learning the vocabulary.

    So i was wondering if anyone knew of a good place where I can learn of the structure of the Russian language. I already know how to read Cyrillic...so that won't be a problem, i just want to know where i can go to find some good information on the Russian grammar.

    thanks,
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    Re: Russian grammar?

    Here's an overview with some links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_grammar

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    Well, if grammar doesn't frighten you, then i'd say pick up a copy of Modern Russian by Derek Offord, ISBN 1-85399-361-1. It's a pretty comprehensive book covering just about every aspect of Russian grammar. It runs a little light on verbal prefixes, but it will give you a good foundation. Then, of course, there is always the internet. I know this site has info on conjugation, tense, case declinsions, etc... If you want info on the basics, just google it and there is a wealth of info for free.

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    thanks guys

    im planning on going to the library soon, so i'll be sure to look for that book. =)
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    I'd say get the New Penguin Russian Course book, by Nicholas J. Brown (definately!), it is quite heavily grammar orientated, but also teaches vocab along the way.
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    спасибо
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    Not comprehensive, but free...
    http://www.alphadictionary.com/rusgrammar/
    Заранее благодарю всех за исправление ошибок в моём русском.

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    yeah i found that on one of the links someone gave me. It actually was pretty helpful. Its basically what i've been looking for.

    tho this weekend imma go to the library to check out some books. because as helpful as these sites have been...none of them have *good* examples...

    thanks alot! =)
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    ok...so i was able to find out the two regular types of verb present-tense conjugations...and also the past tense...but here are some things i don't understand:

    what are the Я and Mы forms of the past tense, for example:

    Сказал - he said
    Сказалa - she said
    Сказалo - it said
    Сказали - they said

    but how would you say "I said", or "we said"?

    and also, for the perfective/imperfective tenses...is there any regular model to follow to conjugate the verbs in those tenses?
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    The past tense works this way :

    verb+(а)л -> masculine (я, он, ты)
    verb+ла -> feminine (я, она, ты)
    verb+ло -> neuter (оно)
    verb+ли -> plurial (они, мы, вы)

    The conjugation for the past tense works the same way for perfective and imperfective verbs.
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    aaah.ok that makes much more sense now...
    im used to having to learn like a million conjugations for each verb...(like in spanish)

    the damn sites don't explain very well...

    oh well, i'll be going to the library this weekend to get a dictionary and hopefully a good book

    thanks for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zomby_pengy
    aaah.ok that makes much more sense now...
    im used to having to learn like a million conjugations for each verb...(like in spanish)

    the damn sites don't explain very well...

    oh well, i'll be going to the library this weekend to get a dictionary and hopefully a good book

    thanks for the help.
    Russian past tense is easy because it only changes for gender and number, not for each person like e.g. Spanish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zomby_pengy
    aaah.ok that makes much more sense now...
    im used to having to learn like a million conjugations for each verb...(like in spanish)

    ...
    Simply because English conjugation is a snap when comes to the verbs ending, what may make the conjugation of some other languages look more difficult to learn for English native speakers.
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    Does anyone know where I can find a good Russian-English dictionary online?

    I have a few Russian books - one by Dostoevsky and a Russian Bible - that i want to use to help myself learn Russian, thought this concept is useless without a good dictionary to help me learn new words, etc.

    I've searched on Google a few times, but I can't descern which ones are acurate and which ones are not.
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    You don't learn a language by getting works of high literature and then sifting through them with a dictionary.

    You shouldn't even think about touching Dostoevsky for about 18 months at least.
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    hmmm....

    Perhaps dostoevsky wouldn't be the best choice, seeing as I can barely understand the english versions of his books. :P

    I dont plan on learning the language by reading literature, it merely helps to widen my vocabulary, and also helps me to get used to reading the language.

    It has helped me alot with other languages I've learned.
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    so im practicing verbs of motion. please correct me if i'm wrong:

    Мать завезёт меня на работу. "my mother is dropping me off at work today."
    Мать завезла меня на работу. "my mother already dropped me off at work."
    Мать завозит меня на работу. "my mother drops me off at work every week."

    Я прилетел на Украина. "I am flying to Ukraine today."
    Я подлетел к Украина. "I arrived in Ukraine already."
    Я прилетайю на Украина. "I fly to Ukraine repeatedly."

    Мать уидёт из меня. "My mother is leaving my home right now."
    Мать ушёла из меня. "My mother already left my home."
    Мать уходит меня "My mother leaves my home every day."
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    Мать завезёт меня на работу. "my mother is dropping me off at work today."
    Мать завезла меня на работу. "my mother already dropped me off at work."
    Мать завозит меня на работу. "my mother drops me off at work every week."

    Я лечу на Украину. "I am flying to Ukraine today." - OR Я прилетаю на Украину сегодня.
    Я прилетел на Украину. "I arrived in Ukraine already." (your sentence meant that you're flying on a plane and have just approached the Ukraine's border).
    Я летаю на Украину. "I fly to Ukraine repeatedly." (the verb прилетаю doesn't convey the idea of the constancy of the fact thay you fly to the Ukraine repeatedly).

    Мать уходит от меня. "My mother is leaving my home right now."
    Мать ушла от меня. "My mother already left my home."
    Мать уходит от меня. "My mother leaves my home every day."
    I think that мама would work better in your sentences
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    Quote Originally Posted by zomby_pengy
    Мать уходит меня
    "Mother will wear me out"

    Может, я ошибаюсь, но мне кажется, в английском у тебя тоже ошибки Поэтому сложно исправлять ошибки в русском - не совсем понятно, что ты имеешь в виду в том или ином предложении.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    [quote=Оля]
    Quote Originally Posted by "zomby_pengy":19dqklle
    Мать уходит меня
    "Mother will wear me out" [/quote:19dqklle]

    oops! hahaha. :P

    um. i didn't understand whatever else it is you sauid. =(
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