Thread: Nikto ne mozhet mne obyasnit'? "na vs. v"

Never heard of a Jitney before. Sounds like one of those names American's make up for there kids. Jitney Joe.

Anyway, in Br.Eng:

A bus - one of the things in the picutre below, that's goes round a set route, on a schedule, form of mass public transport. Like one of these. But this is a double decker bus. They are usually local, and take you around your town or city.

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~hhuynh/Lo ... %20bus.JPG

A coach is what Americans also call a bus, but to Brittishers, they are NOT the same. Firstly they tend to do long distances and you book your ticket in advance. Like you take coach tours to Europe. They are more luxurious, have nicer seats, TVs and toilets usually. This is one below. As I'm aware an American will also call this a bus.

http://www.grand-canyon-tours.biz/images/Coach%201.jpg

A taxi can be 2 things. The first is a "black cab" which are the distinctive odd shaped things. In central London where I live, especially around the shopping areas and tourist places, sometimes the only things you see on the road are fucking black cabs.

http://www.dialacab.co.uk/images/frontpagecab.gif

Theses drive around and you put your hand out to stop them, or shout "Taxi", I don't know why because the drivers can never hear you.

The second type is a minicab, which you call up in advance, then they drive out specially to pick you up. They are cheaper than "black cabs" and are just normal cars. People tend to use them for longer distances.

http://www.cqaf.com/uploads/28dj%20minicab.jpg

A tram is what Americans call a trolleybus, or at least some do, something which I found out after me and my American boyfriend almost split up over an arguement defining what a tram is. You see this alot in Europe and Russia Трамвай . We have them in the UK too. Here's a nice tram in Prague:

http://www.letsgo-europe.com/czech/prague/tram_800.JPG

A trolleybus is like a normal bus, but it is powered by over head cables and therefore can only stick to a certain route. Same as a Russian Троллейбус (sp?):

http://home.tiscali.nl/fotoboekroemenie ... edraal.jpg

I don't like them, since you get all those unsightly cables everywhere.

So, a mini-cab, eh?

Hey, are there maxi-cabs around?

Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane

Privet vsem!

Prostite - u menia vremenno net dostupa k russkim shriftom.

Voprosik takoi: pochemu po-russki govoriat inogda 'v' v sleduyushim kontekste?

"на маршрутках -> в маршрутках. I would say "я поеду на маршрутке/автобусе/машине" as well as "я поеду в маршрутке/автобусе/машине" but "слушать музыку на маршрутке" sounds wrong. Unfortunately I can't explain why."

I kogda ispolzuetsia "na/v russkom yazike"?

Spasibo bolshoe!

You are wrong from the very beginning
When you say
Я поеду НА автобусе
it means I will go by bus, you just indicating the kind of transport
when you say
Я поеду в автобусе
it means I will go inside the bus, you indicating your position
i don't see the way why you would like to say so

Originally Posted by TATY

A tram is what Americans call a trolleybus, or at least some do, something which I found out after me and my American boyfriend almost split up over an arguement defining what a tram is. You see this alot in Europe and Russia Трамвай . We have them in the UK too. Here's a nice tram in Prague:

http://www.letsgo-europe.com/czech/prague/tram_800.JPG

I think we just call those trolleys. Anyway they only have them in San Francisco.

This comes from someone who lives in Illinois?

I live 40 min for San Fran and they have Trolleys (the famous ones that go up and down the hills) and Trams (like the one in the picture).

Trolley in SF:

Tram in SF:

They have also trams in LA and Seattle that I have seen myself first-hand. So don't you come here and tell me it is only in SF!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

This comes from someone who lives in Illinois?

I live 40 min for San Fran and they have Trolleys (the famous ones that go up and down the hills) and Trams (like the one in the picture).

You haven't provided an example of somewhere other than San Francisco that has trolleys.

Originally Posted by BlackMage

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

This comes from someone who lives in Illinois?

I live 40 min for San Fran and they have Trolleys (the famous ones that go up and down the hills) and Trams (like the one in the picture).

You haven't provided an example of somewhere other than San Francisco that has trolleys.

I was just saying that the picture that was provided is a tram (which you called a trolley) and they do exist in other cities (something you said they didn't). That's all

I don't know about the trolleys though, I haven't heard of them being outside SF.

Yea I just realized I was looking at the wrong picture. Mr. Rogers taught me exactly what a trolley is.

I saw trams some in Melbourne too.

Originally Posted by basurero

I saw trams some in Melbourne too.

I'm an AMERICAN I don't give a damn about what goes on in ASIA.

America? Which one?

Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane

Privet vsem!

Prostite - u menia vremenno net dostupa k russkim shriftom.

Voprosik takoi: pochemu po-russki govoriat inogda 'v' v sleduyushim kontekste?

"на маршрутках -> в маршрутках. I would say "я поеду на маршрутке/автобусе/машине" as well as "я поеду в маршрутке/автобусе/машине" but "слушать музыку на маршрутке" sounds wrong. Unfortunately I can't explain why."

I kogda ispolzuetsia "na/v russkom yazike"?

Spasibo bolshoe!

Я слушаю музыку на маршрутке - звучит нормально, если ты сидишь на крыше маршрутки и слушаешь музыку. (хотя если маршрутка едет со соростью 80 км\ч, то это будет сложно удержаться на ее крыше )

Originally Posted by Chuvak

Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane

Privet vsem!

Prostite - u menia vremenno net dostupa k russkim shriftom.

Voprosik takoi: pochemu po-russki govoriat inogda 'v' v sleduyushim kontekste?

"на маршрутках -> в маршрутках. I would say "я поеду на маршрутке/автобусе/машине" as well as "я поеду в маршрутке/автобусе/машине" but "слушать музыку на маршрутке" sounds wrong. Unfortunately I can't explain why."

I kogda ispolzuetsia "na/v russkom yazike"?

Spasibo bolshoe!

Я слушаю музыку на маршрутке - звучит нормально, если ты сидишь на крыше маршрутки и слушаешь музыку. (хотя если маршрутка едет со соростью 80 км\ч, то это будет сложно удержаться на ее крыше )

Но можно сказать "я еду на маршрутке"

BlackMage:

I'm an AMERICAN I don't give a damn about what goes on in ASIA.

Where are you going to find Melbourne in Asia ????
IT'S AUSTRALIA!!!!

На самом деле or В самом деле?

I know what we hear out there is "На самом деле", but I just came across "В самом деле" while reading Pushkin, so now I have this doubt.
Does it make a difference? Are there certain contexts to use На or В when it comes to самом деле?

Originally Posted by erika

На самом деле or В самом деле?

these are equivalent

Originally Posted by tyomitch

Originally Posted by erika

На самом деле or В самом деле?

these are equivalent

They are not.

В самом деле - действительно
На самом деле - в действительности

В самом деле?! - exclamation of surprise ("oh really?" or something like this) - you cannot use "на" here
also "в самом деле" is "indeed"

На самом деле has a shade of meaning "in reality", "in fact"

Но все-таки в разговорной речи это почти одно и то же.