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    Letter Salutation

    If I am writing someone as letter -- the family Ivanov for instance, what is the proper open the letter -- and what case would you use for the recipient.
    Would I use datative case for the first part and genitive for the family name (Дорогой семье Иванова)?
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    I believe the Ivanov family is just Ивановы (lit. The Ivanovs)

    If you say "Dear Ivanovs/Ivanov Family", it is a vocative (an address) phrase, as it is in English. Therefore you use the nominative.

    Дорогие Ивановы,

    To the Ivanovs, is dative because the word To is there: Ивановым {dat. plu.}

    So i think you'd start it either:

    Дорогие Ивановы

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    Ивановым
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    You are right about the cases but the family name should be in the plural form. Дорогой семье Ивановых(genitive from Ивановы). Your variant is grammatically correct but it wouldn't be used in most cases.
    Edit: Tatu is right too. When starting the letter nominative is the most common.
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    I think, it's much better to start the letter like this:

    Дорогие Иван Иванович, Мария Ивановна и, конечно, остальные члены семьи!

    You are not supposed to address pepple by their last names, unless some exceptions take place. I have many official campaigning letters from Luzhkov, Chubais, Nemtsov and stuff and they also were writtem in the way I provided here.
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    Thinking about it, in English, it sounds a bit weird to say

    Dear Smith Family,


    more likely is

    Dear John, Kathey, Cliera
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    Thank your for your help guys. I disagree a bit with Taty, since I've seen Dear X Family many times (in English), but I do understand your point. Add to that the fact that Russian social conventions are a bit different, I think I will use everybody's name after all -- is it ok to say "Ivan Ivanovich, Maria Valerevich, Misha, and Sasha" -- mixing the вы forms of the parents with the informal for the children?
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    No problem. They are not going to chase you with a stick if you just use their last name either. I dont put Dr. on my credit cards and I would simply use their last name, it's perfectly OK for normal people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barmaley
    Thank your for your help guys. I disagree a bit with Taty, since I've seen Dear X Family many times (in English)
    You must know lots of families on witness protection...


    Sounds very American to me (you probably are American anyway). I be British so I speaks the English proper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adoc
    I dont put Dr. on my credit cards .
    And I don't put 9" penis on my credit card but I'm not going brag about it on forums...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Quote Originally Posted by adoc
    I dont put Dr. on my credit cards .
    And I don't put 9" penis on my credit card but I'm not going brag about it on forums...
    If that's the way you see it, then it's a problem with your head (or penis?), dear friend, not mine.

    Do you actually have a 9" penis? Can you present it to everybody, so your achievement could be properly documented and confirmed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adoc
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Quote Originally Posted by adoc
    I dont put Dr. on my credit cards .
    And I don't put 9" penis on my credit card but I'm not going brag about it on forums...
    If that's the way you see it, then it's a problem with your head (or penis?), dear friend, not mine.

    Do you actually have a 9" penis? Can you present it to everybody, so your achievement could be properly documented and confirmed?
    Unfortunately not. But it's a good size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Unfortunately not. But it's a good size.
    Hehehe
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    is it ok to say "Ivan Ivanovich, Maria Valerevich, Misha, and Sasha" -- mixing the вы forms of the parents with the informal for the children?
    Actually, I can't separate "вы forms of the parents" from "the informal for the children" in this case. Plus, the name will be Maria Valerievna. Be careful when you're dealing with people's names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishau_
    Дорогие Иван Иванович, Мария Ивановна и, конечно, остальные члены семьи!
    Is it right that you wouldn't use дорогий in all cases where you would use dear in English? I mean, when it's a bit less personal letter, what do you say instead?

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    in less personal letters they use "уважаемый"

    Уважаемый Иван Иванович!

    Довожу до Вашего сведения, что состяние дел на Вашем объекте складывается не лучшим образом, бла-бла-бла....

    Уважаемые Иван Иванович и Мария Ивановна!
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    Plus, the name will be Maria Valerievna. Be careful when you're dealing with people's names.
    Of course it would be. Unfortunately, I type faster than I think -- and I don't type very fast at all.
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