Thread: kotoryi

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Originally Posted by DDT

How can you tell when your house has been burgled by a Kiwi?

How?

Your cat has been raped and your thongs (foot) are missing.

Originally Posted by scotcher

Originally Posted by basurero

I would like to tell you that my original sentance DOES make sense.

"I saw the man which is with the girl."

As in the man who is with the girl RIGHT NOW.

Err no, it doesn't. At all.

"I saw the man who is with the girl."

or even

"I saw the man that is/ that's with the girl."

You categorically cannot use 'which' here (and you don't need to use 'with whom' in this case either)

Maybe this is better
"I have seen the man who is with the girl (right now)."

Originally Posted by TATY

Hmm. I disagree about the tense.

In English we are saying. I saw the man, who is with the girl (i.e. right now he is with the girl, but I saw him before).
or in other words. "The man with the girl. I saw him yesterday"

So there shouldn't be any был or была.

In this case there shouldn't. I would say: Я видел человека (мужчину), который с девочкой. In appropriate (and of course colloquial) context one can even say: "Я видел человека с девочкой" to mean that, however if one saw it as a standalone sentence most likely he'd assign a different meaning to it.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Maybe this is better
"I have seen the man who is with the girl (right now)."

That wouldn't really mean exactly the same thing though. If it did, there would be no point in us having both tenses in the first place.

"Which of those people did you see yesterday?"

"I saw the man who is with the girl".

"I have seen..." wouldn't make sense there.

In fact, we'd most likely just say "I saw the man with the girl", but without context that sentence is ambiguous and might not mean what the original poster intended to say.

I would like to recall my sentence
"I have seen the man who is with the girl (right now)."
It is grammatically incorrect. Shame on me.

Originally Posted by basurero

"I saw the man which is with the girl."

As in the man who is with the girl RIGHT NOW.

Originally Posted by Sctocher

In fact, we'd most likely just say "I saw the man with the girl", but without context that sentence is ambiguous and might not mean what the original poster intended to say.

I think "I saw the man with the girl" conveys the exact meaning that basurero intended to say and it is grammatically correct.
Unfortunately, this sentence does not use the word "who" or "which" (который).

I think "I saw the man who is with the girl" is grammatically incorrect since it mixes tenses.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I think "I saw the man who is with the girl" is grammatically incorrect since it mixes tenses.

It is perfectly correct. Not only that but this is the intended target sentence to be translated here. He had obviously, previously seen the man, who now he sees again with a girl. He is specifically referring to THIS man and not another man who may be present or in the speakers view because the other man is not with a girl.

So somebody please translate this for the poster so we can put an end to this redickulousness. Hmm?