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    To have or Have not!

    Hey I was wondering what the past tense of to have is? Ive seen it as У вас был...in a little textbook I have, is that correct? I was wondering why it wouldn't have an и at the end? Could someone please explain that to me, and is it followed by the accusative in the present and the past? One final thing why is У+ меня...used more than Иметь? This will end a lot of question marks in my head! Спасибо Болбшой

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    The verb быть will change according to what it is that you have, regardless of who or what has it. And the word takes the nominative, since it isn't gramatically the direct object.

    Examples:

    у меня (тебя, его, её, нас, вас, них) был дом. - I (you, he, she, we, you, they) had a house.

    у меня была собака. - I had a dog.

    у меня были руки. - I had arms.

    As for иметь vs. у меня... the best way i can put it is as follows:

    у + gen is used for concrete things: у нас большой кот. - We have a big cat.

    иметь is used more for abstract things: иметь право, возможность - to have the right, to have an opportunity.

    Also, in some cases when a part of something is absent, and requires a genetive expression. Example: мы не имеем достаточного запаса топлива. - We dont have a sufficient supply of fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saibot
    иметь is used more for abstract things: иметь право, возможность - to have the right, to have an opportunity.
    Although, "у меня есть возможность поехать в Киев" sounds perfectly for me.

    I'd rather say that "иметь" is used in more official speach, while "у + gen" better suits to converstaional speach. Although, there can be other opinions.

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    Я мав газету
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Я мав газету
    Чи "В мене була газета"

    Hey, that's not a Ukrainian forum, don't confuse people

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    Если б я имел коня...

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    Re: To have or Have not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Polonski
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Я мав газету
    Чи "В мене була газета"

    Hey, that's not a Ukrainian forum, don't confuse people
    Quick question. Do you personally say

    Ya maw hazetu

    or

    Ya mav hazetu / Ya maf hazetu
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Quick question. Do you personally say

    Ya maw hazetu

    or

    Ya mav hazetu / Ya maf hazetu
    Personally, I say mav.

    However, people from western part can say maw instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesh
    Если б я имел коня...
    lol... Why? I'm confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Polonski
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Quick question. Do you personally say

    Ya maw hazetu

    or

    Ya mav hazetu / Ya maf hazetu
    Personally, I say mav.

    However, people from western part can say maw instead.
    But
    В мене... sounds the same as У мене ....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darobat
    Quote Originally Posted by Vesh
    Если б я имел коня...
    lol... Why? I'm confused.
    It's a joke. Phrase from a well-know anecdote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    But
    В мене... sounds the same as У мене ....?
    That's again depends on the Region.
    You know, I'm not a professor of Ukrainian philology, but when I read in different articles statements that Ukrainians pronounce "в" like "w", I start thinking that a fair half of Ukrainians have wrong pronunciation. For Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lutsk etc it's true. However, if you go to central Ukraine or to the east, people will say "v".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Polonski
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    But
    В мене... sounds the same as У мене ....?
    That's again depends on the Region.
    You know, I'm not a professor of Ukrainian philology, but when I read in different articles statements that Ukrainians pronounce "в" like "w", I start thinking that a fair half of Ukrainians have wrong pronunciation. For Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lutsk etc it's true. However, if you go to central Ukraine or to the east, people will say "v".
    Don't they base ""proper"" Ukrainian on L'viv. Most books do say that it depends on the region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Don't they base ""proper"" Ukrainian on L'viv. Most books do say that it depends on the region.
    No. On Poltava.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Don't they base ""proper"" Ukrainian on L'viv.
    That's a common superstition. No one woudl argue, that eastern Ukraine is mainly Russian speaking. So people who speak Ukrainian here use "surjik", a mix of Ukrainian and Russian.

    Western Ukraine uses Ukrainian-Polish "surjik" instead. I mean vernacular speach, don't include doctors of philology here

    You can hear the most pure Ukrainian in central Ukraine, though (Poltava's villages, for example).

    Or on the TV when you listen to 9 o'clock news

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