Thread: Declension of nouns

Originally Posted by Vadim84

Иван Родил Девчонку, Велел Тащить Пеленки

We always said "... тащить пеленку". It rhymes better anyway.

gRomoZeka, а тебе не стыдно что воскресила тред, который уже три года спокойно лежал в своем гробу? =:^0

Originally Posted by chaika

gRomoZeka, а тебе не стыдно что воскресила тред, который уже три года спокойно лежал в своем гробу? =:^0

На него дали ссылку в соседнем топике. Я зашла и воскресила. Не смогла смолчать.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by chaika

gRomoZeka, а тебе не стыдно что воскресила тред, который уже три года спокойно лежал в своем гробу? =:^0

На него дали ссылку в соседнем топике. Я зашла и воскресила. Не смогла смолчать.

It was an interesting read. Thanks, Gromozeka.

Забавно, но одной из причин, по которым я дала ссылку именно на эту тему, было то, что мне больше нравится вариант с «и» (в другой теме было с «у»).
Кстати, что-то Вадима давно не видно.

I could not make myself look all the way through that table of declined nouns with an unusual case order just because of that unusual order. It was somewhat tiresome, for at first I had to mentally make the order right and then only could I check for errors. I can’t think of a reason why a Native Russian teacher taught cases should be like NPAGDI. Maybe in the Russian textbooks made in America cases are presented this way.

alexB, no the cases we learn the cases in the correct order.

Боже мой!, заглянул в учебник «Начало» и что вижу?
N A G P D I . Глазам не верю!

Originally Posted by chaika

alexB, no the cases we learn are the cases in the correct order.

A little off topic (after all we’re here to learn something from our foreign friends): is there in the above sentence of yours a misspelling in the form of a missing are or it is possible to skip are in such cases?

Originally Posted by crux_online

Originally Posted by chaika

Incidentally, speaking of random sequencing, in your sentence
я читаю мою интересную новую русскую книгу.
your sequence of adjectives is incorrect. (also -- should be свою). Compare it with:
I am reading my interesting new Russian book vs.
I am reading my new interesting Russian book.

No difference in English, though the first is more natural. Using "new interesting" requires a glottal stop to separate the words (unless you taper the 'w' to near silence); if the 'w' is slurred into 'interesting' the pattern of stresses will be such that 'new' sounds as if it is part of the next word. And since Americans are intolerant of even the slightest hint of non-nativity and accents, this may raise eyebrows.

There might be an area where NEW precedes INTERESTING natively, but I haven't been there.

It would be interesting to test this hypothesis.

There is a difference in Russian.
I am reading my interesting new Russian book -> My new Russian book is interesting.
I am reading my new interesting Russian book -> My interesting Russian book is new.
Different information, IMHO

alexB, no, I don't know what I was going to say. I think it was a case of insufficiently deleted words.

In both Russian and English there are specific sequences for different kinds of adjectives. I know this because I was struck by one particular phrase that has the adjectives reversed in our languages.

good old boy = старый добрый человек
In English you can't say "old good boy". Or any other noun for that matter.