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    the comparative

    e.g.
    сильней or сильнее
    How do you know which ending to use?
    Кому - нары, кому - Канары.

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    Example please?

    The right ending is сильнее

    Я сильнее тебя - I am stronger than you
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Example please?

    The right ending is сильнее

    Я сильнее тебя - I am stronger than you
    Сильней is also correct, but it's more upscale and poetic. Virtually all -ей comparatives are.
    "С чий очи сънувам, чий е този лик обречен?
    Смъртен глас ми се причува и отеква с вик далечен
    Как да зърна да погледна, чуждий образ да прегърна,
    на лицето ми студено грях в надежда да превърна.."

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    Re: the comparative

    Quote Originally Posted by sperk
    e.g.
    сильней or сильнее
    How do you know which ending to use?
    It is the same.
    В быстрой разговорной речи окончание -ее часто произносится как -ей.
    I woudn't say that the ending -ей sounds more upscale and poetic. Not at all.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Say, is this like the difference between зимой and зимою?

    I'm still not totally clear on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    Say, is this like the difference between зимой and зимою?
    No, it is another thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    Say, is this like the difference between зимой and зимою?

    I'm still not totally clear on that.

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    Surely, сильней = сильнее.

    Maybe somebody could explain better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    Say, is this like the difference between зимой and зимою?

    I'm still not totally clear on that.

    Runs away...
    It's not the entirely same thing, but is similar.

    Basically the normal comparative ending is -ее, but the short ending -ей can be found, mainly in poetry and older stuff, often to help make stuff rhyme.
    So сильнее = сиьлней, but in an everyday context it's best to use сильнее. Also there is the более сильный variant.

    The instrumental noun and adjective ending has a long (old) form in -ою.
    So the normal instrumental of "with a beautiful girl is:" "с красивой девушкой", but a more poetic / archaic form would be "с красивою девушкою". I don't think people use this form in everyday speech, but in poetry and songs and such it is used to help with rhyme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    So сильнее = сиьлней, but in an everyday context it's best to use сильнее.
    I categorically disagree!
    It's not "best to use" in an everyday context! It's just a shortening which appears automatically in a colloquial speech! I'd almost never notice if some person said "сильней" or "сильнее". Try to understand, it's just almost like "I am" and "I'm". There is nooo any stylistic difference between сильней and сильнее!

    But as for Зимой/зимою - yes, there is a stylistic difference. Words with -ою endings really sound archaic and poetic and people don't speak so in a colloquial speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    ...There is nooo _ stylistic difference between сильней and сильнее! ...
    или быстрей и быстрее.
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    Re: the comparative

    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by sperk
    e.g.
    сильней or сильнее
    How do you know which ending to use?
    It is the same.
    В быстрой разговорной речи окончание -ее часто произносится как -ей.
    I woudn't say that the ending -ей sounds more upscale and poetic. Not at all.
    No no, I was talking about the spelling. I saw this pelling only in poems.
    "С чий очи сънувам, чий е този лик обречен?
    Смъртен глас ми се причува и отеква с вик далечен
    Как да зърна да погледна, чуждий образ да прегърна,
    на лицето ми студено грях в надежда да превърна.."

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    Re: the comparative

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeed
    I saw this pelling only in poems.
    Strange...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    So сильнее = сиьлней, but in an everyday context it's best to use сильнее.
    I don't agree categorically!
    It's not "best to use" in an everyday context! It's just a shortening which appears automatically in a colloquial speech! I'd almost never notice if some person said "сильней" or "сильнее". Try to understand, it's just almost like "I am" and "I'm". There is nooo any stylistic difference between сильней and сильнее!

    But as for Зимой/зимою - yes, there is a stylistic difference. Words with -ою endings really sound archaic and poetic and people don't speak so in a colloquial speech.
    Surely in everday speech though, at normal speed, it's hard to tell the difference between сильней and сильнее. Also, I wrote "everyday context" to mean writing, not in speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Also, I wrote "everyday context" to mean writing, not in speech.
    Сильнее and сильней, слабее and слабей (and so on) is the same for me in the writing, too.
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    But сильнее on google is almost 10 times more popular than сильней:

    сильней:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa ... 9%22&meta=

    сильнее:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa ... 5%22&meta=
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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    I _ categorically disagree!
    The sentence you wrote would mean, "I agree with you, but not completely", which is nearly the opposite of what (I think) you were trying to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    But сильнее on google is almost 10 times more popular than сильней:
    So what?

    And, by the way, Google is not the authority in the linguistics question.

    Grogs, thank you very much for your correction.
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    Google is not the authority in the linguistics question.
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    I remember Charlestonian used to use the google argument too, and was ridiculed every single time. By the way, where is our old friend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    I remember Charlestonian used to use the google argument too, and was ridiculed every single time. By the way, where is our old friend?
    Забанен.
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