Thread: Chapter 23 questions

All your responses help a lot.

How about this? There's a sentence written like this Вадим старше меня нá год. There's no explanation for the accent on the нá. Does this mean it is stressed and not connected to год the way prepositions usually are? If so, why is this?


How about this translation?

When will you leave? The sooner the better!
Когда вы уидёте? Чем скорее, тем лучше! Is this correct?

Thanks,
Z

zorro, please look at special thread on ЭТО
http://masterrussian.net/f15/%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE-19593/

[нАгод] и [нагоОд] are both good. First is as many people say, but I don't think there is some strict rule.

My try:
When will you leave? The sooner the better!
Поскорее бы вы уже ушли!

Originally Posted by zorro

All your responses help a lot.

How about this? There's a sentence written like this Вадим старше меня нá год. There's no explanation for the accent on the нá. Does this mean it is stressed and not connected to год the way prepositions usually are? If so, why is this?


How about this translation?

When will you leave? The sooner the better!
Когда вы уидёте? Чем скорее, тем лучше! Is this correct?

Thanks,
Z

На год is pronounced as a single word with the stress on the first syllable. The o is reduced to a shwa. нАгът (ъ is shwa in transcription)

Originally Posted by Marcus

На год is pronounced as a single word with the stress on the first syllable. The o is reduced to a shwa. нАгът (ъ is shwa in transcription)

Is нa a preposition in Вадим старше меня нa год? In English I would think of it as "by one year". Why is it stressed unlike other prepositions? Are there other examples of this in Russian? Is there any underlying rule that might help me?


This is another translation I'm not sure of:

Boris Petrovich promised us that he would come no later than two o'clock.
Борис Петрович пообещал нам, что он придёт не позже двух часа. Is this right?


Another I'm not sure of:

Tell Vadim to be here at two thirty.
Скажи Вадиму, чтобы он здесь был в половине третьего.

Thank you again for the help,
Z

Originally Posted by zorro

Is нa a preposition in Вадим старше меня нa год? In English I would think of it as "by one year". Why is it stressed unlike other prepositions? Are there other examples of this in Russian? Is there any underlying rule that might help me?

Actually any preposition that makes a syllable in its default form can be stressed. It was a norm long time ago but nowadays this kind of stressing mostly sounds archaic. So don't stress prepositions and you will be safe. But native speakers sometimes can pronounce preposition stressed and the following word completely unstressed.

Boris Petrovich promised us that he would come no later than two o'clock.
Борис Петрович пообещал нам, что он придёт не позже двух часов.
Борис Петрович пообещал, что придёт не позже двух.
Борис Петрович пообещал прийти не позже двух.
Борис Петрович обещал быть до двух.

Tell Vadim to be here at two thirty.
Скажи Вадиму, чтобы он здесь был в половине третьего. -ОК. Or "к половине третьего"

[нАпол], например.

Упала шляпа, упала на пол.
Уронили Мишку на пол, оторвали Мишке лапу.

You can still say [напОл] we confuse stresses then and now.

Originally Posted by zorro

Is нa a preposition in Вадим старше меня нa год? In English I would think of it as "by one year". Why is it stressed unlike other prepositions? Are there other examples of this in Russian? Is there any underlying rule that might help me?

I agree with what It-Ogo wrote about the stressed prepositions. I just want to add something more on it.

1) This question has been asked several times on this forum. Try searching some older threads on stressed prepositions. Unfortunately, I do not remember what were the thread titles. If I find any, I'll provide you with links.

2) You can also try googling if you are interested in this phenomenon. For example,
https://www.google.ru/?gws_rd=cr#new...w=1280&bih=570

Particularly, you may read this discussion Stress shifting from noun onto prepostion - WordReference Forums.

3) Unfortunately, there is absolutely no rule for this. You cannot predict this shift from the word itslef. However, in modern language it mainly happens is some fixed expressions or fixed combinations. And you will be still understandable if you do not follow those combinations.

4) Some examples which come to my mind right now:
(взять/схватить) зА руку, (взять/схватить) зА ногу, с ног нА голову, смотреть пОд ноги, поехать зА город (meaning "to go to the countryside") although many would pronounce "за гОрод", бЕз толку, задание нА дом (home assignment)... There are many others.

дОсыта is a solid word

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

дОсыта is a solid word

My bad. Deleted.