Thread: Chapter 23 questions

Originally Posted by zorro

This is just a quick question on the dialogue that begins this chapter. There is this sentence: Можно вас пригласить в ресторан, вот там, над городом? Is the word над here pronounced with a final /d/ and not /t/, since it is linked to городом?

Z

Yes.

The regressive voice adjustment even spreads beyond lexical borders.
For example, if a speaker says "вес бутылки" (weight of the bottle) without a pause, it becomes [вЕзбутЫлки], and "вот город" (here is the town) becomes [вОдгОрат]. But if a speaker makes even a tiny pause, this effect disappears: [вЕс бутЫлки], [вОт гОрат]. This is because Russians are just "physically unable" to pronounce two consecutive consonants with different voicing (it requires some training when learning a foreign language pronunciation).

As to the prepositions, there is usually no pause after a preposition, so the effect is always in force. So, "над полем" sounds as [натпОлим], but "над городом" as [надгОрадам].

This is very helpful. It's not only because над is linked to another word that the /t/ sound becomes /d/ but that it's linked to a word beginning with a voiced consonant. I need to pay more attention to this. Thank you.

Z

Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман

The regressive voice adjustment even spreads beyond lexical borders.
For example, if a speaker says "вес бутылки" (weight of the bottle) without a pause, it becomes [вЕзбутЫлки], and "вот город" (here is the town) becomes [вОдгОрат]. But if a speaker makes even a tiny pause, this effect disappears: [вЕс бутЫлки], [вОт гОрат]. This is because Russians are just "physically unable" to pronounce two consecutive consonants with different voicing (it requires some training when learning a foreign language pronunciation).

As to the prepositions, there is usually no pause after a preposition, so the effect is always in force. So, "над полем" sounds as [натпОлим], but "над городом" as [надгОрадам].

With that said, Zorro, would you mind trying to guess how you should link these two words?

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Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман

The regressive voice adjustment even spreads beyond lexical borders.
For example, if a speaker says "вес бутылки" (weight of the bottle) without a pause, it becomes [вЕзбутЫлки], and "вот город" (here is the town) becomes [вОдгОрат]. But if a speaker makes even a tiny pause, this effect disappears: [вЕс бутЫлки], [вОт гОрат]. This is because Russians are just "physically unable" to pronounce two consecutive consonants with different voicing (it requires some training when learning a foreign language pronunciation).

As to the prepositions, there is usually no pause after a preposition, so the effect is always in force. So, "над полем" sounds as [натпОлим], but "над городом" as [надгОрадам].

I've never noticed that
Weird but I gotta say you are correct, it is very hard for me to say [надпОлим]