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    Basic vocabulary

    One question that I wonder about, is there in the internet a list like "the 200 most usual words in Russian" or something like that. So a list of words you should learn in order to build sentences, like necessary conjunctures, basic verbs etc.

    Any ideas?

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    A little more research and you will probably find a list with stress patterns too, but then again, maybe not.

    That's what is wrong with such a list - a new learner has no idea how to pronounce the words because Russian has free accent placement. A list is good only if all you plan to do is read, and I'm not sure of that even.

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    There is a book, a frequency dictionary of 10,000 Russian words in frequency order with stress and irregular pronunciation guide:

    Amazon.com
    http://www.amazon.com/Russian-Learners- ... 414&sr=8-2

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    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Learner ... 466&sr=8-1
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    Getting stressed

    There's a very helpful book by V. Klepko concerning stress: A Practical Handbook on Stress in Russian.

    http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Handboo ... 216&sr=8-2

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    Have you been here?
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    Re: Basic vocabulary

    I reckon learning of word list isn't good idea because you won't know how to use them.
    At first you have to study some lessons from self-study reference.
    Then try to describe your life with very simple sentences in English ( 4 or 5 sentences is enough for first time). And then try to write the same in Russian. One more step, type that in this forum. We will correct your mistakes.
    Then go to first step and so on. Next text has to be more difficult.
    Such way is more useful for learning words and you will get word list.
    Could you correct my mistakes, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leushka
    Have you been here?
    Thanks for the link. But if I look at the file I only see things like "

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    [quote=authentic silence]
    Quote Originally Posted by Leushka
    Have you been here?
    Thanks for the link. But if I look at the file I only see things like "
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    [quote=authentic silence]
    Quote Originally Posted by Leushka
    Have you been here?
    Thanks for the link. But if I look at the file I only see things like "

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    Ditto. I think the word list is absolutely fantastic. It gives one an objective way of accumulating words which are used according to frequency. Of course, as what had been said earlier about knowing the other parts of the language is just as important, do not forget the grammar too.

    So once you have 5000 words under your belt you sould theortically be able to understand up to 80+ % of all written text. Of course keeping in mind the grammar.

    Now learning Russian seems to be just a little bit easier, with this word list. Also very true, once you pick up the first couple hundred (thousands even better) words and it gets into your active vocabulary, then gathering the rest seems easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    So once you have 5000 words under your belt you sould theortically be able to understand up to 80+ % of all written text. Of course keeping in mind the grammar.
    It's a mistake, unfortunately. Trust me, I'm an old learner.
    We can learn words in a context only. And you really will know a word when you can use it.
    Could you correct my mistakes, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPaul
    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    So once you have 5000 words under your belt you sould theortically be able to understand up to 80+ % of all written text. Of course keeping in mind the grammar.
    It's a mistake, unfortunately. Trust me, I'm an old learner.
    We can learn words in a context only. And you really will know a word when you can use it.
    That is a bit of a generalization too, isn't it? While the old method of word lists plus grammar plus plenty of translation exercises is terribly inefficient and almost useless when you are having your first conversation... it works too. First, you can add context by yourself; second, those words you learned "by heart" will pop up in some context and if not the first time, they will be familiar enough the second time to be used in conversation.

    Says Leushka, who studies Russian by "good" methods only, but studied Latin by grammar and translations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leushka
    Quote Originally Posted by XPaul
    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    So once you have 5000 words under your belt you sould theortically be able to understand up to 80+ % of all written text. Of course keeping in mind the grammar.
    It's a mistake, unfortunately. Trust me, I'm an old learner.
    We can learn words in a context only. And you really will know a word when you can use it.
    That is a bit of a generalization too, isn't it? While the old method of word lists plus grammar plus plenty of translation exercises is terribly inefficient and almost useless when you are having your first conversation... it works too. First, you can add context by yourself; second, those words you learned "by heart" will pop up in some context and if not the first time, they will be familiar enough the second time to be used in conversation.

    Says Leushka, who studies Russian by "good" methods only, but
    studied Latin by grammar and translations.
    I found it easier to study Latin by speaking with natives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    I found it easier to study Latin by speaking with natives.
    Yeah, but less effective. How often have they praised you for your Latin?
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    Thanks for the input guys. I guess there is nothing better than to be right where the action is, that is to be in Russia to learn the Russian language. However, for someone who does not have much opportunity to interact with native Russians (or any native for that matter when you are learning their language), I think soaking up the vocabulary is not such a bad idea. Hard work though, but have not found a better way yet. Of course, vocabulary by itself if not enough, unless of course you are learning the Malaysian language, then it is plenty already because it virtually has no grammar.

    Now that I have quite a bagful of Russian vocab, it makes learning the grammar part seems easier and somehow more interesting.

    Well like the saying goes, different strokes for different folks, certainly does apply here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tohca
    Thanks for the input guys. I guess there is nothing better than to be right where the action is, that is to be in Russia to learn the Russian language. However, for someone who does not have much opportunity to interact with native Russians (or any native for that matter when you are learning their language), I think soaking up the vocabulary is not such a bad idea. Hard work though, but have not found a better way yet. Of course, vocabulary by itself if not enough, unless of course you are learning the Malaysian language, then it is plenty already because it virtually has no grammar.

    Now that I have quite a bagful of Russian vocab, it makes learning the grammar part seems easier and somehow more interesting.

    Well like the saying goes, different strokes for different folks, certainly does apply here.
    I don't think that they are opposing grammar to vocabulary. Instead, they are opposing a kind of "theorical" learning (vocabulary and grammar) to a "practical" one.

    Their concern is that if you learn the vocabulary by heart, but don't learn and exercise it in context, you will not be able to use it in a real life conversation. The words just don't come quick enough when you want to use them.

    For this reason, they suggest to learn the words in context, that is in complete sentences, in situations and dialogues similar to real life, as many textbooks do. This way you'll "automatize" what you learn, almost being able to "think" in that language when you have to speak it.

    But while I am beginning Russian with normal textbooks, I don't agree with them that learning word lists is completely useless.
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    What I said applies to beginners. If as you said you already have a bagful of words, the "suggested" approach would probably be to read "authentic" material as much as possible: from literature to newspapers. This way you'll encounter new words, again in context: it will be easier for you to use them and you'll learn in what situation they are used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leushka
    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    I found it easier to study Latin by speaking with natives.
    Yeah, but less effective. How often have they praised you for your Latin?
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