Thread: Проигрываем

Мой интерес превлекло это предложение:

«Да я что-то заметил за собой… Как только начинаю много говорить в плей-офф, мы сразу проигрываем». (источник)

Подумал, как его лучше перевести на английский. Думаю о двух вариантах:

A. And I've noticed something about myself… As soon as I start talking a lot during a play-off, we immediately lose.
B. And I've noticed something about myself… As soon as I start talking a lot during a play-off, we immediately start to lose.

Первый вариант дословен. Второй вариант по-английски звучит лучше. Но оправдан ли перевод? Ваши замечания?

Второй вариант больше подходит и по смыслу.

We are looking forward that he will keep his mouth shut while in Switzerland (from April 24 to May 10).

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

We are looking forward that he will keep his mouth shut while in Switzerland (from April 24 to May 10).

Better: "We are looking forward to him keeping his mouth shut while in Switzerland."

Actually, I think in terms of schoolbook English we should say "to his keeping his mouth shut," but the "him" version sounds a lot better to me.

Is it correct to make the coherence as follows?

Let us accept that
"to be looking forward" = "to hope" (roughly)
"to keep his mouth shut" = "to be silent" (roughly)

1. We are looking forward that he will keep his mouth shut
We hope that he will be silent = Мы надеемся, что он будет молчать

2. We are looking forward to him keeping his mouth shut
We hope to him being silent = Мы надеемся на него молчащего
(In Russian it is odd a little bit, the better is: Мы надеемся [увидеть] его молчащим)

3. We are looking forward to his keeping his mouth shut
We hope to his silence = Мы надеемся на его молчание

Originally Posted by doninphxaz

Мой интерес привлекло это предложение

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

Is it correct to make the coherence as follows?

Let us accept that
"to be looking forward" = "to hope" (roughly)
"to keep his mouth shut" = "to be silent" (roughly)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by “coherence” here, but that aside, I can offer some commentary.

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

1. We are looking forward that he will keep his mouth shut

Так не говорим. За “forward” в таком контексте обязательно следует “to”, а “that” никогда.

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

2. We are looking forward to him keeping his mouth shut

Это наверно можно понять двояко:

А. Мы надеемся, что он будет молчать. We hope he'll keep silent.
Б. Мы надеемся на то, что он будет молчать. We are relying on him to keep quiet.

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

We hope to him being silent

Так не говорим.

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

We hope to his silence

Так не говорим.

Originally Posted by CoffeeCup

3. We are looking forward to his keeping his mouth shut

А вот что интересно. Практически и 2 и 3 можно произнести с такой интонацией, что будут значить:

В. Если он будет разговаривать во время матча, мы рассердимся.

Вообще когда говорим что-то вроде “I'm looking forward to your visit,” мы хотим сказать «Очень жду твоего визита» или «Испытываю радость, когда думаю о твоём будущем визите» или «Я буду очень рад, когда ты приедешь».

Thanks a lot!

"coherence" I mean "matching" or "correspondence".

Оказывается, есть такие предложения, которые в переводе на английский получаются длиннее