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    Быть в эмиграции.

    Быть в эмиграции - does this always refer to exile or can it sometimes mean something else?
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    Re: Быть в эмигранции.

    в эмиграции (without н)

    No, быть в эмиграции means to have a permanent residence in some foreign country. And I think it is not possible to exile a person to a foreign country since the foreign country will probably object

    Well, perhaps the prhase was used to refer to people who moved out of Russia for that they thought they might do better in other country, but no one actually exiled them.

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    Re: Быть в эмигранции.

    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
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    No, быть в эмиграции means to have a permanent residence in some foreign country. And I think it is not possible to exile a person to a foreign country since the foreign country will probably object
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    Unfortunately it is possible, for example when a border within a country or between two countries has been modified.
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    Re: Быть в эмиграции.

    Quote Originally Posted by Мултитран.ру
    быть в эмиграции - live in exile
    Of course, people in exile in the United States would indeed have taken up a permanent residence here.
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    Re: Быть в эмиграции.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMage
    Quote Originally Posted by Мултитран.ру
    быть в эмиграции - live in exile
    Of course, people in exile in the United States would indeed have taken up a permanent residence here.
    Then I misunderstood the concept of being in exile (I thougt it could be only by force), so if one can live in exile on his own accord, the translation is correct.
    I only tried to tell that эмиграция is when one leaves the country because would like to do so, not because he is forced to.
    And my Lingvo says that "in exile" is "в ссылке", and all the translations it offers for "exile" describe forced deportation from the country.
    But I can't argue, I am not an expert in English.

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    Re: Быть в эмиграции.

    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    Then I misunderstood the concept of being in exile (I thougt it could be only by force)
    You did not misunderstand it. Living in exile in the context of emigration is usually an unwilling absence from a home country. It does not necessarily mean that you were physically sent to another country, but that you had to leave on the basis of, let's say, being afraid of political prosecution. Of course, the government can only send you to where it has the power to send you. Whichever way you get to that other country you become a refugee (беженец). I would not say I live in exile, since I have both Russian and Canadian citizenships and I am free to go wherever I want. However, to Russians I am an emigrant, since I choose to live here.

    The origin of the word is Latin exilium (banishment)
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    Re: Быть в эмигранции.

    Quote Originally Posted by pisces
    And I think it is not possible to exile a person to a foreign country since the foreign country will probably object
    I bet you are very young... A lot of people including famous musicians, film directors, etc. were forced to emigrate and lived in exile. "Forced" did not necessarilly meant they were physically put on a plane, but rather they were put into conditions where they had very little choice... However, in some cases they were ordered to live the country or face prosecution...

    Check the biographies of Иосиф Бродский and Андрей Тарковский for example... Here is one link http://www.polit.ru/culture/2004/03/14/brodsky1.html
    And of course there is modern day exile for people like Berezovsky...

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    Re: Быть в эмигранции.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM
    Check the biographies of Иосиф Бродский and Андрей Тарковский for example... Here is one link http://www.polit.ru/culture/2004/03/14/brodsky1.html
    And of course there is modern day exile for people like Berezovsky...
    I came across the term while reading about Brodskij, but then I saw it in another context and I was confused.
    I think that what it turned out to be was a situation where the person left the USSR because of political pressure, resulting in a sort of de facto exile, rather than a forcefully imposed one.
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    People sent in exile by the CCCP, or live in exile because of the CCCP, don't do so anymore, because the CCCP doesn't exist. They don't live in exile.

    i don't know if Abromovich can me considered as an exile... he will surely be arrested if he returns to Russia...
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    You mean Berezovsky.

    I think you could class him as an exile. He has been granted asylum in a foreign country afterall, and self-imposed exile is still exile. There's nothing in the word (at least in English) that requires a person to have been physically ejected from their homeland.

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    No, I meant Abromovich, "Chelski". As far as I know, he is also in a self-imposed exile...
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    No he's not. He's just been re-appointed Governor of Chukotka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    No he's not. He's just been re-appointed Governor of Chukotka.
    Yeah.. By the way, he sold his Sibneft to Gazprom without any problems a couple of months ago..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich

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    He's the 21st richest person on the world, "referred to as one of the Russian oligarchs." Somehow it seems to me that they can't afford to exile him. Really, if someone that rich wants to spend his money inside Russia's borders, it's purely bad business to turn him down.

    If the exile is indeed self-imposed, then it's not much of an exile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMage
    Somehow it seems to me that they can't afford to exile him.
    Excuse me, what do you mean? Do you think 'they' want to exile him but they can't do this? I'm not sure.. I think, beside Berezovskiy, Khodorkovskiy etc. Abramovich plays fair.. Of course, as far as it's possible in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    No, I meant Abromovich, "Chelski". As far as I know, he is also in a self-imposed exile...
    Abrаmovich to be precise. From the Jewish name "Abram".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich
    Well, it looks like this language thread has successfuly turned into political one

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMage

    If the exile is indeed self-imposed, then it's not much of an exile.
    Never mind the rolling eyes, you halfwit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Webster's Dictionary
    ex·ile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gzl, ksl)
    n.

    Enforced removal from one's native country.
    Self-imposed absence from one's country.
    The condition or a period of living away from one's native country.
    One who lives away from one's native country, whether because of expulsion or voluntary absence.

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    Damn it, Scotcher, you should know by now that posting ill-contrived arguments is my forte! Jesus, I'm an American, it's what we do!
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    I am in exile!!!
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    From where? and why?
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