Thread: Please translate this

Please translate this for me...

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто не с нами, тот балбес!


Thanks

Originally Posted by Ty

Please translate this for me...

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто не с нами, тот балбес!


Thanks

The cat has died, its tail became mangy, those, who aren't with us are boobies.

Это детская считалка (одна из её вариаций).

Actually, it's initial form is:

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто промолвит - тот и съест!

This is a part of a children's game.

Literally, your version is translated:

The cat died and its tail lost its fur. The one who is aside is a blockhead.

My version:

The cat died and its tail lost its fur. The one who utters a word should eat it wholly.

The sense is in the second part. This is a call to take part in some activity, and if you're out of it, you're an outsider.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by Ty

Please translate this for me...

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто не с нами, тот балбес!


Thanks

The cat has died, its tail became mangy, those, who aren't with us are boobies.

Это детская считалка (одна из её вариаций).

Lingvo-translated. I was curious to see what it knows.

Rtyom,

You doubt Lingvo's versions?

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

Rtyom,

You doubt Lingvo's versions?

I said that I just know it was Lingvo. The dictionary has very few options on these words.

No, Lingvo is very good, it helps a lot. However any dictionary isn't flawless.

What flaws did you discover in it? And AFAIK Lingvo is made of different dictionaries combined together.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by Ty

Please translate this for me...

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто не с нами, тот балбес!


Thanks

The cat has died, its tail became mangy, those, who aren't with us are boobies.

Это детская считалка (одна из её вариаций).

Lingvo-translated. I was curious to see what it knows.

Yes, it's Lingvo. I've never known the equivalent for балбес in English.
booby sounds ridiculously for me for some reason but that's what dictionaries are made for in the first place. I often stumbled on Lingvo being incorrect, though.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What flaws did you discover in it? And AFAIK Lingvo is made of different dictionaries combined together.

Do you think combining dictionaries is a good way to avoid all possible mistakes?

First, many Lingvo dictionaries (of English) are compiled by Russians.
Second, they cover definitons only lemma-like.
Third, an all-too-knowing dicitonary is a utopia.

And generally speaking, you can't translate using only two-way definitions.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What flaws did you discover in it? And AFAIK Lingvo is made of different dictionaries combined together.

You should use monolingual (English-English) dictionaries more often (maybe you haven't used them at all if you believe in impeccability of Lingvo). Then you'll find enough flaws

What is an English-English dictionary? Does it consist of "Cat -- Cat, Dog -- Dog, Sunny -- Sunny"? Or do you mean "Cat -- a mammal with a long tail and sharp claws"?

Upd:
What is this? Is this what you're talking about?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=booby

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What is an English-English dictionary? Does it consist of "Cat -- Cat, Dog -- Dog, Sunny -- Sunny"? Or do you mean "Cat -- a mammal with a long tail and sharp claws"?

Neither
Cat - Feline mammal usually having thick soft fur and no ability to roar: domestic cats; wildcats

Upd:
What is this? Is this what you're talking about?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=booby

Yeah, of course, what else could I mean? Like our Ожегов, т.е. толковый словарь английского языка.

Originally Posted by Vadim84

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What flaws did you discover in it? And AFAIK Lingvo is made of different dictionaries combined together.

You should use monolingual (English-English) dictionaries more often (maybe you haven't used them at all if you believe in impeccability of Lingvo). Then you'll find enough flaws

Может быть, ты и прав, но я думаю, что большинству из нас легче учиться по старинке, с хорошим двуязычным словарём. Кстати, мне кажется, что пользование толковым словарём не способствует приобретению умения переводить с одного языка на другой.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Originally Posted by Vadim84

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What flaws did you discover in it? And AFAIK Lingvo is made of different dictionaries combined together.

You should use monolingual (English-English) dictionaries more often (maybe you haven't used them at all if you believe in impeccability of Lingvo). Then you'll find enough flaws

Может быть, ты и прав, но я думаю, что большинству из нас легче учиться по-старинке, с хорошим двуязычным словарём. Кстати, мне кажется, что пользование толковым словарём не способствует приобретению умения переводить с одного языка на другой.

Ну это само собой. Я же не говорил, что надо совсем отказаться от двуязычных словарей. Я лишь сказал, что они не безупречны. А пользоваться, конечно, надо обоими типами словарей.
Вернее, на начальном уровне только двуязычными, а после определенного этапа можно переходить и на одноязычные. Кроме того, ведь есть специальные, немного упрощенные толковые словари английского для изучающих язык. Я как раз таким в основном сейчас пользуюсь а именно:
Collins Cobuild Advanced Learner's English Dictionary + CD-ROM - рекомедую.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

However any dictionary isn't flawless.

However, no dictionary is flawless.

Originally Posted by basurero

Originally Posted by Rtyom

However any dictionary isn't flawless.

However, no dictionary is flawless.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Lampada

по-старинке

По старинке.

Без дефиса.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Lampada

по-старинке

По старинке.

Без дефиса.

Ага, маху дала.
Спасибо.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by basurero

Originally Posted by Rtyom

However any dictionary isn't flawless.

However, no dictionary is flawless.

Thanc u.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Кошка сдохла, хвост облез. Кто промолвит - тот и съест!

This is a part of a children's game.

The cat died and its tail lost its fur. The one who utters a word should eat it wholly.

What is a English for
молчанка - the name of this game?

Does anybody know?
Lingvo-то не знает