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    двухместный однокомнатный

    Hi! Does this mean one room that two people sleep in?
    Or does it simply mean a single room with two beds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Or does it simply mean a single room with two beds?
    Yes.
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Thanks it-ogo!

    So if I booked that, then there will not be some stranger in the same room as me?
    Like in "Mimino" LOL!

    I used a crappy Google translation because I was in a hurry.
    Google translated this word to double room, which is what I wanted. (one big bed in a room.)

    EDIT: I am falsely accusing Google, it is the English version of the page that is quite poorly translated.

    They should have translated it to "twin beds" or something like that, usually meaning 2 slimmer beds, standing apart from each other.

    However, when I checked the Russian version it was clear that the translation must be wrong.

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    Oh, this is weird and interesting:

    Quote Originally Posted by Belarussian booking service
    В санатории Белая Русь одноместные номера бронируются только для сотрудников предприятия-собственника (Министерство МВД РБ). Забронировать для Вас одноместный однокомнатный номер не сможем.
    Despite the fact that I am already paying triple the price of local people and willing to pay more, I still cannot book the better room... Hm!

    And who are "Министерство МВД РБ"?
    Is it the Ministry for Interior Affairs by any chance?
    Hopefully there is no overzealous visa registration officer holidaying there!
    (I had not realised this was some kind of corporately run establishment - I thought it was just like a budget spa that is open for anyone... )

    Anyway, this place is located in a nature reserve, at an isthmus between two famous lakes, in the middle of a pine and birch forest. Bliss!!! It also has a VERY large pool and a great gym.

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    Is it the Ministry for Interior Affairs by any chance?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by it-ogo View Post
    Yes.
    I wouldn't be so confident. I think you have to pay double price or you will share the room with a stranger.
    Налево пойдёшь - коня потеряешь, направо пойдёшь - сам голову сложишь.
    Прямой путь не предлагать!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Полуношник View Post
    I wouldn't be so confident. I think you have to pay double price or you will share the room with a stranger.
    Hmmm..... I need to ask them that. I definitely don't want to share a room with a stranger. It didn't occur to me when I made the booking. Has anyone been to a sanatorium? Is that a normal thing to do for them... putting strangers in the same room together? The twin bed room was only marginally cheaper than the double bed room. The difference was in the decoration - the double bed room was better decorated.

    I am just about to pay for this place (see my travel blog for more information, in the travel section!)

    On the "Министерство МВД РБ".... What precisely could this be?

    You know, in Belarus, they still have the "KGB" organisation. Do you think they report into the MVD? In that case I'll be at a sanatorium with the KGB! Wait until I tell my friends about that!
    If not, who are the MVD - what do they do?

    I did not reflect on the acronym when I checked the resort in the "sanatorii.by" site - I don't think they mentioned it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    If not, who are the MVD - what do they do?
    As I replied in another thread it's a police ministry. This sanatorium is for Belorussian police officers. I also highly recommed you to check deeper the fact if they are going to put you in a room with a stranger. The only thing they can provide for you that a stranger will be the same gender. It was a common Soviet practice and Belarus managed to keep many of old stupid Soviet customs. You hardly can be offered to share a room with a stranger in these day's Russia but in Belarus I guess it can be quite possible.
    Please, correct my mistakes, except for the cases I misspell something on purpose!

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    Thanks Basil77!
    I also highly recommed you to check deeper the fact if they are going to put you in a room with a stranger.
    There is a page where you can have a dialogue with the booking staff,
    I asked :

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna
    В комнате, что я заказала, только один человек спит, не так ли?
    Если нет - вы можете изменить это, пожалуйста?
    Я хочу остаться одна. (Извините, что я плохо пишу по русский!)
    They responded to my other question but not to this one, so I will post the question again -- please can you you help me to fix the errors?

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    В комнате, которую я заказала, спит только один человек, не так ли?
    Если нет, вы можете изменить это, пожалуйста?
    Я хочу быть одна. (Я не хотела бы делить комнату с посторонним человеком) (Извините, что я плохо пишу по-русски_!)
    My suggestion:

    Буду ли я единственным человеком в этом номере или мне подселят соседа? Этот вопрос очень важен для меня. Наличие соседа в комнате для меня неприемлемо.
    Please, correct my mistakes, except for the cases I misspell something on purpose!

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    Thanks for the suggestion. I've just posted the question to them now.
    It's a funny organisation to deal with, they are very helpful and fast, but everything is very bureacratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil77
    The only thing they can provide for you that a stranger will be the same gender. It was a common Soviet practice and Belarus managed to keep many of old stupid Soviet customs. You hardly can be offered to share a room with a stranger in these day's Russia but in Belarus I guess it can be quite possible.
    Yes, it seems that is possible, even at "one of the best sanatoriums in Belarus!" Oh dear! Frankly, this possibility did not even occur to me at first. I only thought of it because the film "Mimino" was on TV, and there, two people are put in the same hotel room.

    Quote Originally Posted by Booking service
    Как сообщалось Вам изначально в санатории Белая Русь для Вас бронировалось место в двухместном однокомнатном номере. Это означает, что второе место в этом номере также забронировано для другой женщины. Уточните, пожалуйста, будете ли Вы оплачивать путёвку?
    They just called me, and said that they have no single rooms. The price is very low, and I will tell them that I can pay the double price. If not, I might just go there, and simply leave if they put me with some frustrating person, or the lack of privacy gets to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Booking service
    Мы уточнили в санатории, в наличии есть двухместный однокомнатный номер. Вы сможете проживать в номере одна, без подселения, но Вам необходимо будет оплатить стоимость двух путевок.
    Ожидайте, пожалуйста, документы на оплату.
    Quote Originally Posted by Booking service
    Мы оформим для Вас новые документы на оплату двух путевок. В номере Вы будете проживать одна. Пожалуйста, ожидайте.

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    Белоруссия более цивилизованна, чем Россия! Мне вот три года назад не разрешили одному поселиться в двухместном номере в единственной гостинице г. Ельца (Липецкая область). Разумеется, я готов был заплатить, как за двоих. Речь шла всего об одной ночи.
    Так что Советский Союз ещё жив!! )
    В основном безвреден.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim M. View Post
    Так что Советский Союз ещё жив!! )
    Definitely its bureacracy is!
    I wanted an adventure, something different, and I got it......
    Let's see if I EVER get my visa to Russia... then I can compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Definitely its bureacracy is!
    I wanted an adventure, something different, and I got it......
    Let's see if I EVER get my visa to Russia... then I can compare.
    Интересно знакомиться с Вашим взгядом со стороны на нашу действительность. Думаю, что по бюрократии мы с Белоруссией на одном уровне. Что характерно, даже в новых частных компаниях их владельцы строят мощные бюрократические надстройки (как в нашей компании: куча контролёров, длинные алгоритмы согласования). И естественно бюрократия "цветёт" в государственных компаниях (железная дорога, метро), в государственных органах (пенсионный фонд), в государственных медицинских учреждениях и так далее.

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    Yes... I have noticed that in Belarus some things seem to be made a bit more complicated and time consuming than what might be needed --- at least if the objective is speed, saving time and money.
    It does not overly bother me though and I do not pass any judgement on it.

    I am staying at a sanatorium at the moment, and here, for example, in order to pay for "extras" (minerals for special bath water!) I had to visit three separate offices: One to get the form (document) that was needed, one where the necessary information was filled in by a nurse and a third place to actually pay the bill. Finally I had to go back to the original place and give them the reciept and the form.

    Booking the sanatorium was also extremely bureacratic. Instead of simply letting people submit payment with credit/debit cards, you had to print, scan and upload various documents several times. The process is complicated and there are many possibilities to make mistakes. You were also supposed to visit a physical bank to pay the bill, then scan and upload (etc, etc!) and when I instead did an international transfer via telephone banking, this caused lots of frustration at the booking office.

    I am not necessarily saying that any of this is very bad.
    It depends on whether one thinks that saving money and time is always the most important aspect of any activity. I don't think it always must be.

    When I visited a health clinic in Belarus I was blown away by the speed, modernity and fabulously high level of professionalism. There was both flexibility and speed. It should be said that this was a private clinic, but it was not expensive - 35 Euro for a FULL health check!

    My mother often told a story about how she was shopping in a department store in St Petersburg, in Soviet times. She had to visit three different counters if I remember correct, to pay for her purchase and get a bag, and there was a queue. As a result it took a very long time to make even a few small purchases at the biggest and most modern department store in St Petersburg. People who heard the story said that the only reason for the setup was to create jobs, although I personally don't know whether that is true or not.

    Anyway I suppose that kind of setup is long gone from commercial places, but maybe it lives on public institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    People who heard the story said that the only reason for the setup was to create jobs, although I personally don't know whether that is true or not.
    Уверен, что нет. Причины таковы:
    - Не видели себя со стороны.
    - Не видели, что может быть иначе.
    - Не ставилась задача упростить людям жизнь.
    - Не было конкуренции в сфере услуг.
    - Убеждённость в том, что за нашими людьми нужен особый контроль.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Anyway I suppose that kind of setup is long gone from commercial places, but maybe it lives on public institutions.
    Да, в общем, конкуренция заставляет бороться с бюрократизмом. Но конкуренция у нас ещё слабая, так как нет настоящей свободы предпринимательства.

    P.S. Теперь Вам будет проще понять некоторые особенности нашей жизни:
    1) Почему продвижением информационных технологий занимается сам президент Медведев (казалось бы, что это мелкий вопрос не его уровня).
    2) Почему многие дают взятки (Чтобы упростить себе жизь. Взятка воспринимается как средство борьбы с бюрократическими правилами).
    3) Почему у нас люди нигилистически настроены к любым законам и правилам (потому что видят в правилах новый мучительный алгоритм потери времени).

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    I don't think that is about creating jobs. I am under impression the bureaucracy at the lower levels is required so that the customers will be discouraged to appeal to the management or dispute the level of service. If every simple and ordinary thing takes that much effort, how much effort would be required to do anything out of the ordinary? So, many people would just give up before starting, and others would give up in the process. I remember back in the USSR time it was customary for the seemingly caring bosses to hire very nasty office assistants. The caring boss would definitely take care of you if you'll be able to get past his office assistant.

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