Thread: Vladimir Lenin

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

You mean when you're alone?! Speaking to oneself?!

Yes, it's the best way to say everything you think about those damned girls and boys, you know...

Originally Posted by Rtyom

By the way, why's the beaitiful rhomb in your avatar, молодой человек?

It's the satanic rhomb. It affects your brain when you're looking at it and makes you love beer.

Satanic?! I think I already love beer. The inner voice tells me to leave my place and buy a bottle.

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

молодой человек - Young person

Women aren't people? =)

Просто молодой человек - так всегда говорят о молодом парне. Это закрепилось в языке. О девушке так нельзя сказать

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

No you are right, you call a unknown young man for молодой человек, but as far as I know, you can techincally call a young woman the same thing, since молодой человек means young person...

Monkey: "young ladies can't be young men", the point is that молодой человек means young person, so it should read "girls can't be young people?"

I, uh, see .

Thanks guys, that is exactly what I thought. You wouldn't say молодой человек to a woman, but grammatically you can. Therefore, extrapolating on that and being an eternal Devil's advocate (maybe even Rostova's to, since she is satanic) if you say:

девушка или молодой человек - you are gramatically saying that a girl can not be a young person NO?

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

девушка или молодой человек - you are gramatically saying that a girl can not be a young person NO?

I wouldn't say so because here "молодой человек" is translated as "a young man" but not as "a young person" (it also may have another meaning which is archaic - "a male servant"). So it's grammatically saying that a girl can't be a young man.

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

девушка или молодой человек - you are gramatically saying that a girl can not be a young person NO?

As you probably know there are two logical operations: 'inclusive or' and 'exclusive or'. So using the first of them you're allowing girls to be young persons

this isn't digital data processing, Indra, this is grammar You would have to write: Девушка и/или молодой чеолвек

wouldn't it be better to just say "молодые люди" instead of "девушка или молодой человек"

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

this isn't digital data processing, Indra, this is grammar You would have to write: Девушка и/или молодой чеолвек

It's cool to be Indra, I like it!

Vinnie messed the names once again.

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

this isn't digital data processing, Indra, this is grammar You would have to write: Девушка и/или молодой чеолвек

wouldn't it be better to just say "молодые люди" instead of "девушка или молодой человек"

*sigh* Kalinka, do I have to bring back my siggy with you acknowledging my correctness and greatness? :P So basically, from what I gather, I'm right after all? Referendum: Russians, please tell me yea or nay on whether this signature is acceptable or not!?!?

I would write it that way:
Молодые люди, пожалуйста, поправьте меня, если я допустил ошибки!
So that was adressed to all young people

Народ, пожалуйста, поправьте меня, если я допустил ошибки!
Like: Folks! Please correct me and so on..

Граждане, пожалуйста, поправьте меня, если я допустил ошибки!
(")Citizens("), correct me and so on...

Люди, пожалуйста, поправьте меня, если я допустил ошибки!
People, please correct me...

Мальчики и девочки, пожалуйста, поправьте меня, если я допустил ошибки!
Here 'boys and girls' is a bit ironical and well known to all Russians from their early years by TV show "Спокойной ночи, малыши" - Good nignt kids.

Можно ещё "товарищи"

Да! И господа as well!

Don't misspell it as тварищи...

I read a book called Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert K. Massie. That book has a LOT of information on the Romanovs and Lenin. Everything you need to know about them is in there. Stalin's not in there though, so I can't help you with that.

~Amanda

Originally Posted by Amanda11

I read a book called Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert K. Massie. That book has a LOT of information on the Romanovs and Lenin. Everything you need to know about them is in there. Stalin's not in there though, so I can't help you with that.

~Amanda

"Everything you need to know from an American point of view" don't you mean.

Originally Posted by TATY

"Everything you need to know from an American point of view" don't you mean.

Is that just a general observation or do you have a specific beef with Massie?

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Originally Posted by TATY

"Everything you need to know from an American point of view" don't you mean.

Is that just a general observation or do you have a specific beef with Massie?

I just think it's naive to read one book by one author on such controversial hisorical figures and claim that it is "everything you need to know", no matter what the nationality or views of the author.