Thread: Visa's, citizenship, I need to know

Originally Posted by fantom605

Can Brits maintain Dual Citizenship with Russia? I know that we (Americans) can't... Just curious.
-Fantom

What makes you think that Russians don't allow dual citizenship with Americans but allows it with Britain?

Apply for a 3-month fiancee visa. The process will take 4-6 months. Bring her to the UK for three months. If things work out, marry her. Then you both can visit Russia as often as you want (or as often as you can afford).

Why would anybody want to permanently move to Russian anyway?

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Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by fantom605

Can Brits maintain Dual Citizenship with Russia? I know that we (Americans) can't... Just curious.
-Fantom

What makes you think that Russians don't allow dual citizenship with Americans but allows it with Britain?

AFAIK

it's not Russia who disallow it, but rather it's a US law. It's a widely ingored technicality, but even a Seppo who marries in the UK is supposed to renounce their US citizenship upon receiving their British one.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Apply for a 3-month fiancee visa. The process will take 4-6 months. Bring her to the UK for three months. If things work out, marry her. Then you both can visit Russia as often as you want (or as often as you can afford).

What difference do you think that makes? Once you're married to a Russian you still need a visa just like anyone else does, for every single trip. It is still easiest to travel on a tourist visa, just like everyone else, and you will still spend at least a day queuing at OVIR to register that visa if you aren't staying in a hotel, just like everyone else.

In fact, unless your better half returns to Russia to register her change of marital status with the Great Bureaucracy (which will require a translated and notarised copy of your wedding certficate, and then she'll need to wait a few weeks in Russia for her new passport to be issued), you won't even be legally recognised as her spouse while you're in the country together.

I LOVE OVIR . Currently I get business visas and spend lots of time running around moscow doing the registration marathon every time I exit and return to Russia.

In practice, I don't mind OVIR so much nowadays. My mother-in-law happens to live just across the dvor from their local office, so it's easy to get to, and since it's only a wee city, I always have to deal with the same staff, so they've gotten to know me. Last time I was there, they even let me jump the queue

Originally Posted by scotcher

it's not Russia who disallow it, but rather it's a US law. It's a widely ingored technicality, but even a Seppo who marries in the UK is supposed to renounce their US citizenship upon receiving their British one.

Actually there is no law in the US that says you can only have an American Passport and no one else's. However there is a law that says while a dual citizen is on US soil he will be treated as only a US citizen. As soon as he leaves the US he can be anything he chooses. I know this. I hold three citizenships one of them US. When returning to the US I am required to use the American passport but why would I use one of the others? Then I would have to have a visa.

As far as a Seppo having to renounce his USA citizenship when he takes out another, things have changed. In Afroyim v. Rusk the Supreme Court asserted, in effect, that citizenship is a constitutional right, coming under the scope of the 14th Amendment. From then on, the government effectively lost the power to strip you of your citizenship without your consent. To stop being a U.S. citizen you have to take deliberate steps, prove your intent, and formally renounce your citizenship.

Well, there you go then, my info is out of date. You learn something new and utterly useless every day!

Citizenship laws are actually quite complicated and ambiguous and sometimes can not even be enforced.

Stop being such babies, grow up for chrissake. What's wrong with OVIRs? Can't you just queue there like everyone else does? Big smegging deal.

Citizenship laws are actually quite complicated and ambiguous and sometimes can not even be enforced.

Yeah, especially since it seems that no two countries' systems are ever smoothly compatible.

There are loads of "The law says it's citizens can't do X, but they're only breaking that law when they're in another country, during which time they aren't actually it's citizen" situations out there.

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Stop being such babies, grow up for chrissake. What's wrong with OVIRs? Can't you just queue there like everyone else does? Big smegging deal.

Why don't you get a fcuking grip you ridiculous obnoxious pointless little twirp?

well said Scot..............and I thought it was me getting paranoid!
Nice one scot dude..................SORTED!

Originally Posted by scotcher

Why don't you get a fcuking grip you ridiculous obnoxious pointless little twirp?

Why dinnae ye learn some manners first, ye glaikit carnaptious ramgunshoch skelpit wee erse in a pleaded skirt?

All I hear from you lot is bureaucracy this, OVIRs that. As if there was nothing else happening in your lives. Nobody's dragging you here, you know.

VM, what is the point in your visiting this forum, really? You're already more than fluent in the two languages most used here, so what is it?

Do you feel some strange need to protect the questionable good name of the country you call home in the face of foreigners with *gasp* their own opinions, or do you just enjoy bringing agro and grief where there was none, and needn't be any?

In other words, are you a truely paranoid nationalist, or just a bona fide troll?

Nobody's dragging you here, you know.

That is where you are quite, quite wrong.

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Nice Scottish though!

Typical OVIR experience;
My husband went to our local OVIR, stood in line for hours, was sent from desk to desk (new line at each desk) until he was finally told that the service he needed was located in the NEW OVIR at a different location. (there was no posting anywhere of what services are offered at which offices, nobody at either office gives out this info on the phone).

Next day hubby goes to the new OVIR office, stands in line for hours, when he gets to the desk he is told nobody is working today because the electricity is off (all workers were sitting at their desks) and none will answer any questions (I guess their brains only work in the light).

NEXT day my guy goes back to the new office (electric is on), stands in line for hours and he gets his questions answered but is not given the paperwork we need.Why? Because (we found after further intensive research) OVIR worker gave him all the WRONG information!

I just love OVIR

Sounds typical.

But hey, nothing a fat wad of cash can't resolve.

I won't pay for wrong info.